Sorry you had to go through that. This is why I think it’s important for men to share their collective knowledge. A lot of pain can be avoided if men understand the reality of how relationships work.
Men & women in LTR generally desire the same from eachother. Being good friends & partners. A partner is someone very close you have shared goals with. A husband and wife should consider eachother partners.
They did all of the jobs they were allowed to. Now they do those others you mentioned too. They’re even on submarines.
I beg to differ. They are the ones posting shaming videos about men going overseas and videos of them being tired of doing things on their own, or even calling out feminism itself for lying to them. Some even hypocritically make videos shaming men for not being chivalrous anymore. Women are divorcing because the system has been favoring them for years and this is what the feminism lie has told them they should do. The lie is unfolding right before them and some are in the current status of coping and denial. Many have actually come around.
On the flip side, you don’t see men making similar videos. In fact, it is the opposite. Most comments from men are how peace is more important to them now than dealing with unruly, drama driven women and they are good with it.
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In fairness, i don’t think she meant to hurt me or do wrong, just that she was flighty and immature and I was the safe option until more exciting came along. And to be honest, given my own issues and how I tend to stick with a partner longer than I should unless they make it For Cause, I think she decided that giving me that cause was the only way we could go our separate ways and allow me to keep my self-respect.
Wrong.
Women were forced to live that way after men took away women’s opportunities then made a mafia-like deal.
In more affluent places and times, women don’t have to live that way and are opting out. Now, many men aren’t sure what thier place is in the world because so much of thier identity / self-value came from being male. Yet they stick to the old, outdated playbook that has been more & more useless from the late 1960’s on.
It’s on men to adapt to the way things are now or just stay single. Both are fine choices. Men sure as hell won’t be re-training the female population to return to thier previous stations. 
Feminism wouldn’t have existed if women hadn’t been oppressed.
Women & men are both generally happier in satifying, long term relationships. Agree.
No they didn’t. It is proven they still primarily do the same jobs that they used to do before feminism. They don’t do the dirty, risky, dangerous jobs. Just because you can find an outlier, doesn’t make it support your case. It in fact supports mine. They can do whatever, but they primarily choose not too. In many cases they physically aren’t able to. This is biological fact.
Special Forces is a great indicator. There is a punishing endurance race called the Barkley. It is a 100 mile race in TN that is run over 5 days in 20 mile loops. This race has only been completed 26 times by 20 runners since 1995. 2024 was the first and only time a woman has ever finished this race, and is the slowest finisher.
I see both. Might depend on what your YT / IG feeds think you’ll click on.
Plenty of vids by unhappy men & woman regarding not having a partner.
The men are the ones leaving the Earth over it, though. They haven’t built the support for eachother women have. But there’s a little.
Agree with this.
If it were left up to Women every digital Clock would be Flashing 12:00 not only because no one would be there to reset them, we would be having “Brown Out’s” every twenty minutes.
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I already addressed this, so I’m not going to repeat myself. If you want to believe the feminist talking points about men and women being interchangeable to each other, that’s your choice.
I don’t know what you mean by more affluent times and places. The worldwide standard of living has never been higher for women, especially in Western countries. Throughout most of history, women literally couldn’t survive without a man acting as a provider. This wasn’t because men made some rules making it that way. It’s because women literally were not strong and fast enough to do so on their own. Men in Western countries literally provided the opportunities for women to be less directly dependent on men. I agree with you about men sticking with the same outdated playbook. It’s the one that worked before feminism ruined so many women. Now men need to have the knowledge to avoid feminist women because they’ll use them for their resources and drop them whenever it suits them without guilt.
Saying that the mere existence of a political movement is proof that its existence is valid is the kind of logic that justifies nazism and communism. More men are choosing to be single because adapting to the modern feminist based woman just isn’t worth the effort. Ironically, more modern women are now asking where the men are. I agree that women generally should have rights equal to those of men. However, modern feminism is founded on the false belief that marriage, having children, raising children and homemaking are repressive and forced on them by men.
This is the kind of thing that young men need to know about. The average woman isn’t as loyal as the average man. They have a better ability to find justification for their actions in order to avoid accountability. This is why loyal women are so much more desirable. BTW, don’t consider a woman to be loyal because you think you’re special to her. A truly loyal woman would remain so to any man she ended up in a relationship with.
Now. In places with low poverty. A nice place in Orlando, FL lets say. Women don’t need a man there.
Feminism has been good for women. That’s why you probably don’t have one on a financial leash in your kitchen now.
You’re suggesting everything was fine, women were happy to be subservient to men, and feminism wasn’t necessary. Please. 
Again, you haven’t listened to them.
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Yes. Much of that has been repressive and forced on women. Now it’s largely not, and they aren’t doing these as much. Turns out they didn’t like it.
For dads with Daughters: how do you feel about the original question?
As a father of two daughters (now in their 40s) my answer is the same.
A. Perhaps the young men didn’t fully understand the consequences of their actions but all of them knew what they were doing was wrong.
B. Perhaps the young woman didn’t fully understand the consequences of her actions but she knew what she was doing was wrong.
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A bit of advice my Dad gave me when I was 15.
Even Two People can’t keep a secret, keep your secrets to yourself.
If you are lucky enough to meet a young Lady who enjoys sleeping with you, use protection and don’t tell anyone, Because…
Even Two People can’t keep a Secret.
I would imagine that the majority of promiscuous Yong Ladies I knew in my teens and early twenties had some very seriously messed up Homelives.
I would hazard to guess what this young Ladies early experiances were but, it’s highly likely that they weren’t good ones.
Maybe we need to tell our Young Men that when Young Ladies act out in a brazenly sexual manner they need to step back and understand nothing good is going to come of this. She’s going to end up crazier than She was before the multiple Partners and your chances of being hauled in on a rape charge are now clearly in the hands on someone who’s mental balance is in question
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The basis of Feminism is in itself false. Not “needing” men is false. Who do you think gave women the “equality” and rights they have now? They definitely didn’t give it to themselves. They didn’t have the ability to do so.
Feminisms belief of not appealing to the patriarchy is a fantasy made up in women’s and cucks heads. They HAVE to appeal to the patriarchy to keep the rights they have because if men as a majority suddenly decided that they no longer will have those rights, they no longer will and there is not a damn thing they could do about it. Proof of this is everywhere in the world. Men are the ones that protect and enforce those freedoms and rights, yet they think they no longer need men. Short sighted, spoiled idiots.
My wife doesn’t work outside our household. Me providing for her and our children allows her to be free to do what she loves most. She absolutely loves what she does way more than when she was in the workforce prior to our children. She chose to do this. For her taking care of our children and me is far more important than money. While she has encountered a number of other women who are jealous of her being able to stay at home, she isn’t at all jealous of those who work outside the house.
Rather than listening to women who want to be like men, in other words feminists, I simply observe what women do. The ones who live more traditional lifestyles are happier than the ones who live feminist and/or promiscuous lifestyles. Having different roles doesn’t make one subservient to another. At the same time, most women desire a man who leads. This is because they want certainty, stability and protection. They view men that give in to the whims of others as weak. I find it ironic that the term feminism is used to describe women who reject being feminine. Masculinism would be a far more correct term to describe them.
Men didn’t force biological reality on women. Feminists, women who reject their biology and want to be like men, are self-loathing. This is one reason why they’re so miserable. One positive trait about feminists is that they don’t reproduce at the same rate as traditional women. Of course, this is one of the primary reasons for the population collapse that Western civilization is currently experiencing.
If you have to tell your daughter not to be a hoe who participates in a gang bang, then you have failed at more basic things, or she has willfully chosen to ignore what you have told her.
In the big picture, I’ve come to realize that having a daughter who ends up with a good man is far more important than having a daughter who has a college degree. Our daughter will accomplish both, but focusing on the college degree at the expense of her knowing how to find a good man is something to be avoided.
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Men didn’t give women rights any more than the 1st amendment gives one the right to free speech. Their right as people living in a “free” nation had been denied. Legislators decided that not only was that wrong but they wanted women as voting constituents.
Women also demonstrated and such to press the issue.
So you’re saying women have to appeal to men because men hold most powerful positions of power and can deny them if they want to? Might makes right?
As for who is protecting and enforcing what few upheld rights are left, it’s men & women.