i like internet gun forums like this because i can read and learn about all the cool guns i can own when i’m 18.
Let’s not forget, that these internet sites help promote the sport and right of gun ownership.
The problem with anything people do in a group when they get together is establish a pecking order.
Always gonna be the ones who think they know more than the other guy and so on.
I for one wish we could pass around the correct knowledge in a fair and respectful manner,
AND!
when we are wrong, take it in the same manner as when we are correct.
I completely disagree. So the people getting raped/killed in New Orleans didn’t need a gun? [That’s a rhetorical question]
Back on point with the subject of internet gun forums, I guess I’m in the minority. I think internet gun forums are the best thing to happen to the gun/shooting community in a long time. The information that you can share is amazing. I don’t read for tactics or shooting as much as just basic gun/mechanical knowledge.
Joe Mamma
I’m not going to get involved in this other than to say you totally missed Rob’s point.
Mark…that same quote is used by trainers I have a l LOT of respect for…the guys at STS. I have had the good fortune to train with Dale McClellan a couple of times now, and he is great. No ego in his teaching…just straight up good basic technique, tuned to perfection. And his credentials are not to be argued with.
There is no substitute fpor training with good people, but these forums have been very useful to me to learn things like lubing, cleaning, and basic maintenance.
Ron
I would agree with thoise that have posted that there is some good and a lot of bad
I am firmly on board with Nyeti …I have bailed from several boards where the signal to noise ratio ended up firmly in the noise category
( Or when I realized everyone was talking about airsoft guns and I was the last to know)
I get a kick out of internet commandoes saying " I don’t know who this Pat Rogers guy is but he doesn’t know what he is talking about"
Militarymoron is spot on as well…some kids DO NOT know the value of listening a lot and speaking little…but they have found the gun boards
But imagine those years before the internet…you got your intel dump from gun rags (yech!) and local trainers (probably)
The internet has made it easier to find training (both good and bad)
The internet allows the voice of reason to (occaisonally) drown out the same tired platitudes that have existed for years
There is good info out there but you need to filter everything (twice)
I can get the straight poop on a new piece of gear without having to buy it and then sell it when I find out American Handgunner got it WRONG!
And it helped me figure out that some pieces of gear were not as bad as the gun rags and local gunshop owner would have you believe
NAd the smile on my face when I try a new technique/gear that was described online and find out it really does work better…priceless!
That’s pretty funny and sad at the same time. Anyone who’s had military time would know the purpose behind replacing FA for Burst fire. Actually you probably don’t need military time to find the correct answer but those who have served after Vietnam should know.
My personsal experience with internet weapon forums has been pretty similar to most. A lot of people tend to be really rude if they don’t know you on internet forums in general. I would suspect that they are mainly the people who never get to do it in face to face conversation and take advantage of anonymity. I typically only speak when I have something useful to say, add, or ask. It’s a good practice on forums and in life to take everything people say with a grain of salt. I’m glad I stumbled upon this forum and see many familiar names from the “other site.” I still visit there but it’s gotten kind of old overall.
I’ll risk saying a couple of things here with full knowledge that my opinion means very little in light of 1) I have participated very little here, and 2) I know for a fact that there are people who specifically dismiss my comments for a variety of reasons.
That said . . . almost all of the complaints about internet gun forums could be applied to a variety of forums that address completely different topic. Certainly there are some elements unique to firearms and shooting, but there is more similarity and difference.
Internet and now the web are like feeding you real life through a fire hose. There isn’t anything online that you can in some way find somewhere in meat space, you just can’t get it as quickly or as easily. You have to develop filters either deliberately or subconsciously to separate the wheat from the chaff. Well, you have to do that in real life too, but it’s a little easier due to the rate at which information comes to you.
Most of the people you encounter online haven’t been “here” very long. I’d wager it’s unusual to find more than a handful of people who have been using internet for more than ten years. It’s even more unusual to find many people who predate easy public access to internet. Behavioral problems among the masses are due, in my opinion, to the immaturity of the entire community. It took our western civilization thousands of years to stop killing each other on sight, and even though the pace is accelerated online, it’s going to take some more time for people to learn that they need to behave with respect and dignity if they want to receive the same in return.
Aside from all of that, I think even the most maligned forums present significantly more “good” than “bad.” The question is whether or not the reader/participant has the patience as well as sophistication to get what they find valuable from those sources.
Grant is pretty much correct on all accounts he posted initially, this thread may have taken several directions but back to his original post , I fell under buyer 1 2 3 4 5 and so on not because I wanted to, or just to hang with the guys on Arfcom which is where I made my first acquaintence w/Grant whom I have declared as my ‘Guru’ for years now and primarily I try to listen more than talk and listen to him… and have not always followed his advice because I am hard headed but I appreciate what he shares with me negative or positive.
I just wish my cash flow could dictate purchasing ‘Tier 1’ equipment at all times but I would be the poser with alot of disposable income … I shoot for fun and to hone my skills at it. I dont claim to be a door kicker or some military black-ops special forces Night Ranger …but I wish I would have saw the EE on AR15.com before I called RRA way back when. That is all under the bridge now I work with what I have and I feel I have improved greatly what I have. But training at Gunsite or any of the fine schools where defensive survival is taught is out of the question financially it would be a dream you guys want to start a fund -
'Send Mikey to Gunsite and let Pat yell at him for a week ’
- so I buy the books I have alot of them I absorb them knowing it’ll never apply in my personal life that I’ll have to keep a Saudi Royal Member safe during an overhead machinegun assault… thats ludicrous for a guy like me ‘BUT I HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING(s).’ I know I can have a weapon in hand in a moments notice I know I can defend my wifes life with it - we have trained, rehearsed her and I about what to do if… she has a P239 ( our newest addition a real cutey) stacked with Magsafes .40cal 85gr and I keep a P229 with .40cal Cor-Bons 150 gr HP - hers in her nightstand drawer mine right on top grip down so all I have to do is grab it when I stretch my arm out in my sleep I knock everything off the nightstand anyway so now all I do is grab a weapon - I earn Einstein award on that one… also a Z3 with 120 lumen lamp on the nightstand… I have learned more on M4C than others - products and mudslinging and whose is better and general BS over there and over here respect courtesy and info which is a cut above and some members may think Grant is being crass about certain products he is trying to sell something - yes- but he is trying to sell the best and and sometimes mindsets - CLASH ! He steers no one wrong you just gotta have the cash for him to do his thing. I called him for a barrel a month ago and told him what I wanted and he tried to get me into a Noveske which God Love him he was only looking out for me as he does us all but I did not want it - no disrespect to him I told him it would be like putting a $5000.00 stereo in a $500 car … he has taught me to respect my own gear to know what is and live with it.
I think a huge issue is the fact that no one wants to read… When I first discovered TOS, I did not even join for the first year. All I did was read the posts and absorb what was going on… who was posting… who seemed to have knowledge vs. who was a buckethead… There were pretty much no questions that I could ask.that had not already been answered.
Just today I was reading a post from a guy who wanted to know about something, and he said that he read the tacked thread and it still did not answer his question. (The thread had over 12 pages) and his question was basically…“What’s the Best?”…Arrggghhhh…
"Braying, chest thumping, or hissy fits clue me in that the guy in question is probably a punk w/ disposable income. "
I hope you didn’t take my above quote to be critical or arrogant of people that are trying to wring their guns out or get better or both. That was not my intent at all.
I’m with you. I am amazed how people can afford all this training and gear. I need to get my financial crap in one sock and start saving. I have already killed my habit of having 11 pretty good guns instead of 4 excellent ones!
No disrespect felt … a fact is a fact. I go to an unsupervised range near Silex Missouri where a guy can shoot how he chooses if you get there early enough in the morning the entire range is yours which is when I do my - anything but bench shoot - until another shooter arrives I am pretty much free to, with extreme caution run and gun practice live fire draws I can even park my truck close enough and shoot under and around it, and it still has no holes in it. But I do that because it takes the boredom out of sitting at a bench and shooting at a target and albeit JCPenny training it is what it is and only costs gas and ammo and besides I can get dirty. CMMG is having one of their get togethers in February and I may just go to that I hear its a great time, if interested the layout is in the Missouri Hometown Forum on arfcom.
But I price some of the weapons our Bro’s here on the site have and I just fall over in shock, but if I had the money it would be me having the same rigs. But I am satisfied with what I have and thats all that matters. But if I ever hit the lottery I’ll be one dangerous individual.
Michael
For many years, I was a under paid, enlisted guy in the USN. I bought most everything used and saved my sea and hazard pay to do it. There is no shame in this and most people would be much better offer buying a used EOTech 551 VS than a new tacpoint. We seem fixated (as a sociey) on needing things to be new.
The nice and pretty FF rail systems, billet this and that and Poly barrels are all well and nice, but the plain jane BCM upper with a Stag lower will put rounds down range just as well for a lot less money. Quality gear is quality gear and it can be found in many different price ranges.
C4
I can suck useable info from just about any gun forum. I just prefer ones that I don’t have to read through 50 crap posts to get the one good one. Proper moderating and rules that are actually enforced, resolve this problem.
C4
You’re right, but the problem is “proper” moderating. None can be frustrating, but some of the smaller gun-related forums suffer from moderating that is far too restrictive. In my opinion, the latter is worse. There are some notable examples where disagreement with the local “hive mind” isn’t tolerated, even when presented in a polite and respectful manner.
It’s tough to find the right spot in the middle ground. Some of the individual forums on the big sites do an excellent job. At least a few of the hometowns and clubhouses are excellent in that regard.
Interesting that my exhibit A just posted on this very site.
A carbine class would be a fun learning experience, but for the price of one, I would rather buy another firearm or more ammo. I no longer do security work, I’m out of the service, I have no plans on heading to the sandbox in the near future
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=33022&posted=1#post33021
Some people feel that they know everything they need to know and don’t want to spend money on training. I on the other hand, enjoy taking classes as I ALWAYS learn something new.
C4
As everyone is human, mistakes are often made. People need to get over themselves and realize that it is just a “internet” gun forum and nothing more.
C4
Exactly. And thats exactly why you people shouldnt be allowed to own guns in the first place.
you talking 'bout white folks? 