There is 0% chance of a major war with Iran. Cruise missiles and MOABs, small maybe, but that’s about it. There is still a Congress, like it or not, and if you’re familiar at all with the War Powers Act, they would eventually have to sanction it. AUMF won’t cut it, either.
I can’t see us going to war with Iran even if they put boots on American soil.
So, it is apparent that the media is trying to spin this that Trump is ready to go to war.
After reportedly being briefed on the attack, President Trump has weighed in on Twitter to warn Iran that it made a “very big mistake” by shooting down the American drone.
Rush Limbaugh played the full content of the recording where he said he thought it was a mistake, and it turns out he is talking it up like it really was a mistake, like someone in the Iranian military did it without authorization or due to incompetence or something. In other words, he was not calling it a “mistake” as a veiled threat.
The point is that Trump is indeed reluctant to go to war and made it clear in the sound bite that he is not in a hurry to blame this on a deliberate act of war by the Iranians.
The actual Tweet is a one-sentence statement. The recording Rush played clarifies things considerably.
Go to war over a drone? Nah, ain’t gonna happen (and shouldn’t). But it is perhaps foreboding and if it involves a U.S. aircraft with a pilot then the Iranians need their asses handed to them. Overwhelmingly handed to them.
Can I ask a question? Let me preface this by saying I do not want a war with anyone. That said, why has Iran been such a boogeyman that it puts fear into the hearts of people? “OMG, not war with Iran! Oh please, NOOOO!!!” WTF over? This has been going on for decades with a country that has deservedly had a royal ass-kicking coming if anyone has. Do you really think they are such a juggernaut that we’d be stomped? Seriously? They fought Iraq to a standstill for eight friggin’ years, and we went through Iraq in three weeks. Or is the problem the inevitable U.S. occupation and the problems that entails? I agree with that part…if we did go to war with Iran I’d say lay waste to the entire country and infrastructure, unseat their government, destroy their military and those feared “elite” Revolutionary Guards and their Delta-like Quds Force (yes, said with much sarcasm). Then leave and f**k them with a warning that if we have to come back we start genocide.
I agree if Iran pens a check for the value of the drone. Some say 180 big ones.
The U.S. can be actively involved in multiple conflicts these days without officially going to war…
Which is BS…
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The occupation, for me. I don’t think we as a country have the balls to firebomb enemy cities anymore, which means we do the same thing that we’ve done in Iraq and Afghanistan. Except that the Iranian government has been grooming its entire country for an insurgency against America for 40 years. Our military views them as a near peer. It don’t think they quite qualify, though they do have some capabilities on that level. The problem is that they seemed to have done a good job of blending those capabilities with asymmetric threats and therefore will likely be a much more difficult fight than Iraq, both before and after the “cessation of major military hostilities” or whatever the term is.
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Yes and no. There are some serious cons to it, but some force projection and most SOF operations can’t happen in places that conflict is unlikely. But neither does that need a declaration of war. There is a line, of course.
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I don’t disagree, but to what extent do we avoid smacking the piss out of them if they provoke it? They are NOT Russia or China. As I said above, I don’t think we should go looking for trouble with any country but that is one shithole that should make your hand twitch.
So there’s 608. Add in 241 from Oct.23, 1983. How many more in-between? How about this one? https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/01/the_karbala_attack_a.php
Anyone remember that?
If you fought in Iraq during OIF and had buddies killed by EFP’s, well, who do you think supplied them?
I guess my question is at what point (like what would it take) for us to grow a pair and decide we’ve had enough after four decades of their shit? Obviously with their provocation, not suggesting we should. But backing off? No f*****g way.
And if the drone was in Iranian airspace? Does the US write a check to Iran for the value of a SAM?
It is not Syria, Hezbollah, Huthi, or Iran. It is Mexico. Mexico has damaged us more than Al Queda and ISIS put together. I thought we finally had a President who understood this. Bomb the hell out of Mexico and let them know they are a vassal state whose function it is to guard OUR southern border.
The best course of action, is to step up sanctions. Iran is hurting which is why they are attacking the oil tankers and fired on the drone.
They want a war, so that the Iranian people will rally around the flag.
Where if the world steps up sanctions and chokes Iran, the people will within 24 months stag a successful revolution and over throw the government.
24 to 36 months after the new government takes over, Iran and Israel will sign a peace deal that will include embassies.
So please no overt war.
There’s nothing stopping them from staging a 24 hour revolution now.
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Sure but that drone had no reason to be in Iranian airspace. If it was it was by mistake.
Don’t be naive. We’re conducting surveillance and got caught. Getting a drone downed occasionally is the cost of doing business. No reason to start a war over it unless John Bolton is advising you…
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I can guarantee we have had multiple big drones, like this one, over that area, for decades… This was not a one time drone mission in that area to monitor the Straight.
Its not like we flew a U2 over Iran and it got shot down… that would be a “whoops we got caught” type of thing.
Those big drones have no reason to go over somebody else’s airspace, they dont need to with their cameras and sensor technology. They can likely gather everything within at least 100 miles of the border while staying outside of the 12 mile airspace limit. I can also guarantee with have multiple satellites parked over Iran 24/7.
Well, if you guys caught the news this morning we DID go to war over a drone…then Trump changed his mind and called the planes back.
War should be so terrible and costly to them that they no longer want to play these sorts of games. It’s simply the way Iran conducts “Diplomacy” and the threats are getting a little old.
Simply crank up the embargo of goods coming and going and increase the misery, when folks start eating dirt and dying off things will be settled.
Otherwise throw the ROE out the window and start taking scalps.
Depending on who’s numbers you believe we have between 50 and 75 of the model Iran shot down. They have a 14,000 mile range and can fly for 32+ hours. They have flown one nonstop from Edwards to Australia. With a 60,000+ service ceiling they can probably see further inland than a hundred miles but they were built for maritime use. I still say that if it was in Iran’s airspace it wasn’t on purpose.