Doesn’t change that a lot of what they do is meme tier
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So then why in every disaster be it earthquake in Haiti or a long list of other disasters the IDF is like over 90% first on the ground to render aid and last out?
You know a lot of you really don’t have a clue, about how pro America Israel and her people are.
I have seen many parades that have included groups of non Jews from the USA, walking in the parade and they are showered with affection.
You know some days I think you can divide us Jews into 2 main groups.
Religious not religious, black jews, white Jews, brown jews, it doesn’t matter.
Group one, just is tired of being part of our history, as a result they embrace every feel good cause under the sun to try and for a nano second feel loved.
Group two, is just as tired of being part of our history, but as a result we become super hard core about staying alive. We become a little abrasive at times, and for sure we will shoot you in the face at the blink of an eye.
You guys don’t know how I wish we could put it all behind us. Let the world see the cancer treatments that are saving lives around the world, the agricultural that is feeding people that would have starved to death, the technology that makes all our lives easier, the 3D printed heart from your own cells coming soon to save your life.
But the problem is, some people just don’t want to forget we are Jews, so we must be different and as a result suspect of something.
Most of us are really nice people and then a few of us aren’t. Wow just like all groups.
I’ve been to Israel twice, both times in joint training with the IDF. Once in the Spring of 1996, I personally witnessed rocket attacks coming in from the Golan Heights. Some of the IDF pilots I trained with came to the US as well. I have lots of Israeli friends and I can appreciate Israel as an ally.
My view on globalism is not from the concept of Nation Building, but killing ones enemies before they can do harm to us. The Libertarian view of non-interventionism only works so far, then you have to be proactive and remind the world’s bullies and terrorists that their murderous activities will be met with extreme violence. Instead of the world’s police force, the US Military should be occasionally the World’s executioner. That’s what the military does - it destroys things and kills people. Outside of the US, the world is Darwinian.
I have been to over 23 Countries and we’re not hated for our military interventions, we’re hated because of what we have - our standard of living and freedoms. The rest of the world is either trying to come here, or kill us for their seething resentment of everything American. We have to protect what we have, and if that means going “over there” and killing a lot of “them”, so be it.
Yoni, there’s also the third group common in every demographic… the folks in the middle who just don’t care and try to avoid standing out and attracting attention because the nail that stands out gets hammered down. Everybody’s got their good guys, their bad guys, and their grays in the middle, ya know?
Personally… bear in mind that as a Christian and not a particularly great one there’s much I don’t fully have my head wrapped around about the Old Testament and Torah’s comparative-theology*, but to my read as an outsider the “God’s Chosen” thing is a double-edged sword… He bestows His blessing and favor, but at the same time expects His Chosen to set an example for the rest of the world to follow, much like the mantle of Divine Providence upon the USA. Just a humble layman’s two cents. 
*It’s on the To-Do List–to fully understand Christianity requires at least a passing understanding of Judaism, as your faith also provides the foundation upon which ours was built. (My personal pipedream would be to learn Ancient Hebrew, including the idiomatic quirks, and have the chance to do my own translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls from scratch.) Too bad more alleged “Christians” couldn’t have realized this about a thousand to fifteen hundred years ago…
Full disclosure… back in my wargaming days, a couple of boardmates were active IDF officers, one of whom was responsible for the advice that let me fit a rifle to my mis-shaped body at all, so I do have a certain affinity there.
Yoni, I don’t think anyone currently able to post has thrown the Jew card at you. I bring up Judaism only to refer to differences in our beliefs. In all other matters I refer to the Israeli government.
As far as forgetting your Nation is Jewish, there are a couple of reasons that shouldn’t happen.
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IMO many American Christians support Israel because of their understanding of Biblical Prophecy. If they disregarded the Religious connotation of their support, that support would likely waiver.
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Many are willing to risk all, including their sons and daughters, to assure that the history of persecution against the Jews does not, once again, result in mass genocide. This is my personal perspective.
Just because one doesn’t do handsprings in response to whatever the Israeli Government does, does not mean one is an anti-Semite.
What’s that top 10 hit song by John McCain from a few years ago? "bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran … bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran … "
This is the original, and still best version. From 1980
[video=youtube_share;zBGPw_LBiRA]https://youtu.be/zBGPw_LBiRA[/video]
If you really must:
[video=youtube_share;k9kumiroe6M]https://youtu.be/k9kumiroe6M[/video]
DoS telling AmCits and non-essential personnel to pack their trash and split, Germany and the Dutch are suspending training ops in Iraq.
I absolutely don’t want a war with Iran, but Bolton is running this show and he’s itching for a fight. Tired of war in the ME.
Amen and Amen!
Yes, that is the one I remember from 9th grade (1979-1980).
I do NOT wish a war with Iran or anyone else for that matter, and if possible without acquiescing it is the route that should be followed. That said, if there is one country on this planet who has had an ass-kicking coming in my memory (see above timeframe and forward) it’s Iran.
Looks like we’re gonna have a big fight on are hands. Iv’e seen discussions about the coming civil war, going to war with china, venezuela, north korea, and Iran. Who else?
That’s how I feel. The point of war is to get the enemy to surrender unconditionally. You get the loser to give what you want under threat of total destruction, install an interim leader who is (at least somewhat) friendly to you, and warn the country that if they try any more monkey business, you’ll come back and hit harder. Then you get the hell out of dodge.
Agree totally. Except I would say the goal of war is to destroy the enemy’s military and if necessary it’s political leadership. If they offer to surrender unconditionally before that is achieved then it would include dismantling their military and their political leadership.
Our military has demonstrated repeatedly it can do exactly that in 3-6 months. Then exit and leave a note: live in peace and rebuild and we can be friends and perhaps help you. Try threatening us or attacking our people or allies and we will come back to finish the total destruction. Have a nice day.
The object of war is to get the enemy to do what you are unable (or unwilling) to get them to do using diplomacy.
What do we want Iran to do? And if it’s addressing an issue that goes back decades or generations, that’s related to regional dynamics based on cultural, religious, geographical differences, how do you keep that ghost from coming back (as it almost certainly will) in a generation or two?
“A government should not mobilize an army out of anger, military leaders should not provoke war out of wrath. Act when it is beneficial, desist if it is not. Anger can revert to joy, wrath can revert to delight, but a nation destroyed cannot be restored to existence, and the dead cannot be restored to life.”
-Sun Tzu
Agree with OH58D that the military itself is a blunt instrument and to an extent should be used “execution”-style, not as a police force. However, war is and always has been an extension of politics (the concept predates Clausewitz). Yes, the military is there to achieve military goals, but they themselves are just an extension of political goals. We have always asked far too much of the military in achieving political goals and the results are less than stellar. Eisenhower and Marshall were the closest modern analogies to a true “strategic” level commander - Grant and Sherman could also be thrown in there. Those guys understood the political aims of military action and acted accordingly. MacArthur grasped the concept, but never rose above operational level. in execution (partly Truman’s fault). War will never not be directly tied to politics.
Iran poking the bear with a stick continues:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-20/iran-shoots-down-us-drone-says-ready-war
After reportedly being briefed on the attack, President Trump has weighed in on Twitter to warn Iran that it made a “very big mistake” by shooting down the American drone.
Tensions between the US and Iran flared on Thursday when the Iranian Revolutionary Guard shot down an American drone that was said to have flown into Iranian airspace (the US claims the drone flew over international territory). The drone was reportedly flying over the Strait of Hormuz - that critical chokepoint for the global oil trade - not far from where two oil tankers were recently attacked.
IRGC Commander Hossein Salami said shooting down the drone had sent a clear and strong message for the US: Iran’s borders are ‘red lines’ and though Iran doesn’t seek war, Iran is ready for war. The US, meanwhile, denies that the drone crossed into Iran’s airspace, and says it was in international airspace the whole time.
You sure you don’t want to fill up your gas tank? :jester:
The news sent oil prices surging, with Brent up as much as 3%. President Trump has been briefed on the incident and the White House is “monitoring the situation.” The US military has branded the shooting “an unprovoked attack.”
Numerous geopolitical experts warned that Thursday’s incident “significantly raises” the prospects for international conflict.
Particularly after the US dispatched more troops to the region last week, tensions between the US and Iran just won’t subside, with Tehran still furious over US sanctions on oil sales. With Tehran poised to violate its agreements under the JCPOA on enriched uranium stockpiles, many are fearful that a ‘hot war’ between the US and Iran might erupt.
My take: So regardless of who is right or wrong about where the drone was, does this do anything but ratchet up the chance of going to war with Iran? Do you think people like Bolton are doing their best to make sure we are drawn into a conflict with Iran, or do you think the Iranian regime is an evil that must be dealt with? What say you?
…some of Washington’s biggest geopolitical adversaries (Russia and China) could get involved, triggering WWIII.
To me this seems like somewhat of a long shot, unless Russia and China go full retard. More likely I think they will fight a proxy war and try to be as much of an irritant to the US as they can.
It’ll be what it’ll be. No sense stressing cause we can’t do nothing about it.