What a bunch of weak ass MoFos fleeing the state to avoid anti union bill. WTF?:rolleyes: They should be jailed and fired for dereliction of duty. Fuckin cowards.
Like the bullshit the Texas democrats pulled a few years ago, I think these legislators should indeed be impeached. How come you never hear of republican legislators pulling the same sort of stunt?
Here is the deal. The WI governator wants to make WI a right to work state, which pretty much makes unions irrelevant. Regarding the protests, that means state workers would no longer be able to hold the government hostage to force the state to pay them significantly more than market compensation. But more important to the democrats is the fact that once WI is a right to work state, unions will be irrelevant in elections as well. Without union corruption and money, Dems have a much lower chance of winning an election. So they are willing to do anything to stop this.
The governor knows that no large company is going to locate in Wisconsin only to be blackmailed by unions. So if the governor wants to be competitive with other right to work states, he must enact a right to work law. Otherwise the population will continue to flee Wisconsin like it is fleeing all other union-strong states, and the financial crisis will just worsen until more and more of our cities look like Detroit-style shitholes, and the major source of income for people will be welfare rather than jobs.
Kill the unions to save the country.
Tangentially, someone sent this out on a mail list I am admin for:
We all know that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed in August 1945 after the explosion of atomic bombs. However, we know little about the progress made by the people of that land during the past 65 years.
What has caused more long term destruction - the A-bomb, or U. S. Government welfare programs created to buy the votes of those who want someone to take care of them?
Japan does not have a welfare system.
Work for it or do without.
(I have copied the document to the link below)
http://www.eguns.com/hiroshima%20vs%20detroit%20-%2065%20years%20later.pdf
This just magnifies what 500grains is saying.
Do you have any sources for this info i.e. number of people leaving heavily unionized states? Not disagreeing, just wanting to be able to back my arguments up.
Thanks.
The National Socialist Labor movement in the US needs to be stopped.
Their leader has kept silent while those on the street engage in violence against those who disagree with them. Thank God for Youtube because the media will not report a story painting the National Socialist Labor movement in a negative light.
Agreed. Growing up in inner city Detroit, I am well aware of the effects that unions have had on that city. Every negotiation has to be give and take. All they do is take take take, hence the down fall of cities and state across the country.
I read it but haven’t kept references. I will try to find some though. Supposedly TX and FL have had significant population increases as a result of people leaving IL, MI, OH, NY and other states. (from memory only)
If the unions do nothing but “take, take, take” when negotiating, then, obviously, the state legislators have done nothing but “give, give, give.”
And what they gave was a guaranty of future healthcare and pension compensation in lieu of salary today. The state government did what politicians always do-- they create unfunded future obligations and leave somebody else to clean up their mess.
Why blame the union, who negotiated in good faith for the benefits they were promised, when it was the state legislators that negotiated in bad faith, knowing full well they were promising something they were going to be incapable of delivering? Put the blame where it belongs.
Just to be clear. I think the teachers need to acknowledge the financial constraints of the state and make some sacrifices in their benefits. But I don’t see how this situation necessitates the sacrifice of their collective bargaining position.
Wisconsin’s governor and the Republican leadership in the legislature are attempting to cloak “union busting” under the guise of fiscal responsibility and it’s a sham. The state is attempting to unilaterally default on their contractual obligations without even sitting down with the entity they negotiated the contract with; their only justification is “whoops, I guess we promised something we can’t deliver.” And meanwhile they are doing everything possible to characterize the teachers as the villains in this mess. This is nothing but political opportunism at its worst.
Due to mostly living in high tax rate states.
Right to work, no state tax, awesome gun laws and moderate climate all year long are added incentives to individuals, as well as businesses. 
Then why haven’t they? The governor is asking for a modest contribution and the teachers act like they want to totally do away with it. Having a right to work law does not do away with unions. We have plenty of them here in FL.
There in lies the rub of public sector unions. There is no “good faith” negotiation with public employees because they can (and do) demand far more than their services legitimately warrant and use political pressure and threats of discontinuation of essential public services to get what they want. Governments are not run as businesses and as such have no “bottom line,” the government is incapable, or simply doesn’t desire to, negotiate with thrift in mind.
When attempts are made to walk back the outrageous compensation packages public sector employees in union states have, we witness the same bad faith bullying by unions (job walk-offs, strikes, mob threats, etc.), disingenuous politicking and propagandizing, and screams of “union-busting.” It’s the same bullshit over and over again.
There simply cannot be a “good faith” negotiation between a group of people who perform vital public functions who cannot be readily fired and a government official negotiating with other people’s money. Government officials, it’s worth noting, who are typically appointed by pro-union Democrats and as such have absolutely no intention whatsoever to get a fair deal for the “people.”
Still, the Wisconsin governor should have included all public sector union deals.
Full disclosure, I worked in a union shop in a right to work state and was fired when the union thugs got wind that I was actually being paid more than union scale. That and an incident involving having my tires spiked and chased by a stick-wielding mob because I crossed a union picket line to go to the only grocery store for 60 miles to get some food are my only personal experiences with unions.
Now that I think about it, if public sector unions are so great, why don’t we organize one for the military…:rolleyes:
Well said.
Now that I think about it, if public sector unions are so great, why don’t we organize one for the military…:rolleyes:
Now that we have allowed homosexuals to serve openly, that may not be such a far stretch down the road.
The state laws would define what the union can do, though. Here teachers cannot go on strike.
Excerpt from an article in today’s Wisconsin State Journal (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_7e07902c-3bd2-11e0-8e38-001cc4c03286.html)
"Walker [Governor] wants to remove nearly all collective bargaining rights for most of Wisconsin's 175,000 state and local government employees, allowing workers to negotiate only over salary. He has exempted most law enforcement, firefighters and Wisconsin State Patrol troopers from his proposal.
By ending state employees' ability to negotiate for their pensions and insurance rates, the governor will be able to increase employee pension contributions to 5.8 percent of salary and more than double their health insurance contributions.
Currently most state employees pay nothing toward their pensions and a modest amount for their insurance. Walker said those increases alone would save the state $30 million this fiscal year and 10 times that much in future budgets. He said that would help him overcome the $137 million hole in the current budget, and eventually help the state make up the $3.6 billion shortfall projected for the next biennial budget.
Wisconsin Education Association Council President Mary Bell and Wisconsin State Employees Union Executive Director Marty Beil have both said [b][i]the state's unions are willing to consider the governor's changes to their pension and benefits plans.[/i][/b] But the unions remain dead set against his bid to end most collective bargaining rights."
They should be arrested and thrown out of office.
Can you imagine the media outcry if the Republicans had pulled this stunt?
These people behave like goons from a 4th world banana republic. Typical for the Democrats these days.
I do have to hand it to the governor of WI- he’s standing up to these Communist goons and not blinking.
Yeah just imagine if freeloaders and deadbeats had to negotiate and compete with skilled and hard working people for public jobs and pay/benefits on an individual basis instead of us having to pay them exactly the same when they do it collectively and pretend that all union workers are created equal.
It would almost be like the private sector. People might have to actually get good at their jobs or get fired or suffer with less pay and benefits if they do a mediocre job! Oh the humanity!
:suicide:
Obama gives tactical support to union. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/19/obama-offers-tactical-support-unions-state-budget-battles/ . What a piece of garbage this guy is. He’s a disgrace to the oval office. This man has no tact or class.
Monopolies are bad.
Right?
A monopolist will keep increasing the price until he suffocates the customer because by definition the customer has nowhere else to go.
A union has a monopoly on labor for a particular employer, or maybe even for a whole industry. So what has happened? The UAW increased labor costs t the big 3 to the point that the big 3 have had multiple financial debacles since the 1970s, all production cost related. Protection from imports, government loans and now bailouts (with bond holders getting ripped off) are the only reason we have a domestic auto industry left. Otherwise the unions would have eaten it up and pooped it out. But I do note that the UAW is a huge shareholder of GM now.
If we do not allow monopolies in private enterprise, there should be no monopolies for labor either.
RIGHT TO WORK.
Democrats fleeing cross border when tough times and hard decisions are at hand?
That never happens
