Kinda reminiscent of 43 and the Louisiana Air National Guard.
No big fan of the Bush presidencies here, but tell me, how does serving honorably in the Air National Guard remind you of a guy who used his connections to a Senator to fallaciously claim ROTC status to avoid being drafted?
ETA: BTW, Bush never drilled with or was a member of the Louisiana ANG.
The entitlement state is coming to an end, or it will drag down the whole nation.
This will happen in all 50 states soon enough because there are far too many people on the dole.
I saw the former Gov of Michigan Granholme (SP) on the talking head shows today. She said isn’t it great that we have all these people out in the state house protesting and isn’t that a great example of democracy. Excuse me? That’s a great demonstration of mob rule. The democracy came back in November when the elected officials where chosen. Teachers calling in sick, doctors writing them fraudulent notes and state senators shirking their responsibilities are all signs of a dinosaur system about to go extinct.
I am clueless to what life and society is like in Wisconsin, but my hope is that the PEOPLE of the State see the unions for what they are… I suspect that may be the case since they elected the Governor and that they have the votes to pass the bill.
I know if I was a PARENT in WI and my kids were forced to stay home, forcing some other kind of childcare, due to all the teachers calling in sick and schools closing, I’d be majorly PO’ed… How many parents have had to stay home from work due to school cancelled? Who is going to cover the loss of income if they are like me, no work is no pay…
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I hope you did not find this to be an annoying thread. :p:cool::dirol::jester:
Sorry, misstated the State; it was the Alabama National Guard. Just pointing out that sleazy acts to avoid serving in Vietnam weren’t just limited to Clinton and the Democrats. Cheney’s college deferment history is similar as is Limbaugh’s. Serving honorably isn’t a good bellwether of character as Randy Cunningham showed us.
You still haven’t answered the question as to how the two actions are comparable?
Bush didn’t go to the Alabama ANG to avoid going to Vietnam, he did it to participate in a political campaign. If he had requested a transfer to the Alabama ANG immediately before the 147th was slated to deploy the comparison to Clinton’s deferment shenanigans would certainly have been warranted, but that wasn’t the case. As such the comparison is specious.
Serving honorably isn’t a good bellwether of character as Randy Cunningham showed us.
I agree, but non sequitur.
Be that as it may, the Dems who skipped out of town are elected to perform a job/function of the people, not take it personal. As someone else stated, democracy happened at the polls. As elected officials, they either perform their required function or resign. What they are doing is circumventing the democratic process.
Agreed.
I just read these teachers are getting compensated to the tune of close to 78k on average.
My sister has a masters degree and only gets paid 42k at one of our local public elementary schools and these assholes are bitching like they aren’t going to be able to put food on the table.
F them.
Of course when the liberals and commies do things like this they all say how great it is people are taking part in “democracy”.
Yet every time the Tea Party gathers in a group of more than 5 the same people are out there warning about how dangerous they are.
BTW it amazes me how many people say we live in a democracy. I guess thats what the commies want since under a democracy its easier for them to rail road the host nation into the ground.
Republican lawmakers do the same shit, albeit in less dramatic ways. They blocked votes on many things, most recently the repeal of “don’t ask don’t tell” and the bill to give 9/11 workers extended healthcare benefits.
You don’t see the difference between using the House or Senate or Legislatures RULES to block offensive legislation and breaking those rules about attendance in said legislature?
No, because they’re doing the same exact thing just in different ways. Its bending of the rules to accomplish blockage.
By the way, in 1994 California Republicans refused to show up for floor sessions to prevent Dems from electing a speaker.
moral relativism. There is a major difference. One is working within the system (using the rules set up for this purpose) and one is working outside (ie, against the law or at least against the rules of the chamber and since the cops are out looking for them I would hazard probably against some law).
By the way, in 1994 California Republicans refused to show up for floor sessions to prevent Dems from electing a speaker.
And that was probably wrong.
Both are using the rules of the system in ways that will accomplish a political outcome irrespective of what purpose those rules were intended for.
Article IV, Section 7 of the WI Constitution. All it says is they can be “compelled to attend”, it doesn’t say how. It is an unprecedented case that noone seems clear on.
Speaking of moral relativism…love the qualifier. Its certainly wrong in any case of Dems doing it, even possibly illegal! But when Reps do it, you leave the possibility open that it may not have been wrong. The difference in the situations is that in WI, you have hundreds of thousands of people protesting the Reps actions, but in the instance of the Reps it was simply a politically motivated ploy that not one person was protesting.
And the difference here is I believe they are both wrong, while you believe this instance is wrong, even illegal, whereas the Reps were “probably” wrong. I don’t think votes should be blocked in any case.
As they should have. DADT never should have been repealed. The 911 benefits was held up due to the language of the bill and the amount of compensation, which was extraordinary (read extreme waste) AND they didn’t fly back to there home states to avoid it.
So its cool to block the legislative process when YOUR side does it, got it.
See, I’m against it when BOTH sides do it. Apparently you’re only cool with it when your side does it :suicide:
The Republicans dealt with those issues head on, and did not adopt the approach to governance by fleeing to avoid voting and having it on their voting record. The “in your face”, stand up, hold your ground, oppose with in the law approach, doesn’t equal the chicken shit approach of fleeing the scene/state, that your folks pulled.