Very nicely played!!!
Sgammo is where I order alot of my ranger ammo from. They have a pretty good selection. And for the last little bit have had 135gr .40 jhp ranger about as cheap as wolf ammo. It may be factory/gov over run but it shoots great.
I just noted that because I wasn’t sure whether you shot your rounds into the water (air in the barrel, air outside the barrel, bullet impacts water).
Or whether you shot them submerged (water in the barrel as a possible obstruction, JHP begins to expand within the barrel)
The bullets still traveled about 15-20 feet away under water with no current. Was pretty interesting to see.
I usually shoot vertical, straight down…into a30 gallon can.
The muzzle is roughly 24" to 30" above the waterline.
I have never tried it submerged, I know the glock is capable, not sure about the M&P, (the .40).
So what do you recomend? Im getting some nice slugs. Good expansion, and actually the .45 expands so far sometimes that it will “peel” the jacket right off, so Im left with a two-piece slug.
I started the testing a few months ago with a tupperware storage bin, it was only about 22"-24" deep, about 30" long.
It was enough to get a nice mushroom out of the .45, actually it would touch the bottom, so the bin broke
Thanks for doing this type of comparison! I like the ranger rounds, followed by speer gold dots.
Our tests are significantly different if your rounds stop after 2-3 feet so probably not comparable. I don’t really have any recommendations. I personally don’t spend too much time on the ammo side of things. I carry HST but I’d feel comfortable with pretty much any modern JHP ammo that worked reliably in my gun.
I think it’s difficult just to look at just expansion and you have to look at velocity. A smaller round moving at 50% more speed may be more effective than a large round moving like a slug. I used to carry a 45. Now I carry a 9. I like the lighter rounds, higher round count, higher velocity and smaller/lighter gun.
I wouldn’t try this (underwater) with a 40. I could foresee the pressures doing something bad to the barrel. If you do attempt, don’t put your ears under water. That’ll lead to really bad things.
I can totally agree with your velocity/high round count logic.
I carry .40 the majority of the time but feel comfortable with my G17 and 17 round mags. I would never do this submeged with my pistol, I cant fit in the tub I do these in anyway lol
Yeah I did my “test” in a secluded river. It’s quite different shooting underwater.
Trying to locate this winchester ranger ammo has been difficult. Is the T series ammunition available to civilians?
Also, seeing those 45 slugs is seriously making me consider looking for a suitable weapon and training on a 45 platform for my CCW purposes. That has to be the nastiest looking slug I have ever seen.
Would the 124gr +p rangers have difficulty with things like windshields, wild hogs? I ask because last winter while tracking down a deer I had an issue with a hog that charged me lets just say, I was less than blown away with the performance of my 180 gr .40s It took several to bring him down.
Ya I believe its the ranger SXT. Ill post a pic of the box. Also its not just the .45, The .40 does the same thing.
I have no I dea about the windshields, were waiting for my friends windshield to crack more so we can get some testing through it.
How big was the hog? You gotta think, a 500lb hog is gonna have different results in comparison to a 160-180lb man
No, not SXT. The SXT is the civilian round, and it does not have the sharp points on the jacket when it expands. This round is called Ranger T no matter what caliber it’s in.
In 9mm it’s 127gr +P+, not 124. And it’s a mean-ass round. That’s what I carry when I carry a 9mm. I keep a couple of 33-round Glock sticks full of it in the truck, too, because it has great penetration through glass and sheet metal.
What round? I couldn’t get 9mm NATO pressure rounds to go six feet underwater and penetrate a 2x6 last summer when I did some pretty extensive underwater shooting with a Glock 19. 20 feet? No. Maybe a .50, but I doubt even that would carry 20 feet underwater.
The hog that snuck up on me was probably 250 pounds, amazingly it was the best shooting I have ever done with my 27, at the range I could never re-create that accuracy, I had loaded the last 4 rounds with fmj ammo since my dad told me the hps would just irritate the hog, the fmj dropped it dead (headshot) the first rounds one literally bounced off the skull, the rest went down the spine and only penetrated 1-2 inches the last fmjs all went to the head and went straight through and one traveled deep into the body, the first fmj stopped it dead, the rest were to make sure it would stay that way.
After skinning and cleaning I literally picked out fully expanded hps from it’s back that didn’t make it into the main body cavity
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Thanks for your Thread.
Yesterday, I saw our Wal-Mart carried the 9mm PDX Bonded (IIRC) for $18 a box. Looked like a box of 20. There was other calibers but I don’t remember the cost.
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You are most welcome. Im glad I can help. Just let me know what rounds you would like to see, Ill do my best to get some up
Okay got it, I get confused with all the boxes, and my friend gives me rounds too so I literally have BOXES of that stuff.
Thank you for bearing with me on this thread, I didnt mean to start an argument. So thank you for helping and correcting my info, I would feel bad if I gave bad info or made mistakes on what brand is which. You know your “Talons” lol
I was using a 124gr HST round fired out of a 3rd gen G26 under about 1 foot of water.
I actually have video of this too where you can make out the trail of the bullet. I don’t want to post the video because I’m in a bathing suit and could probably stand to lose 10 pounds. I don’t need the internet telling me I’m fat.
I set up a beer can (full) under water on a rock and fired at it from about 3 feet away and it did penetrate both sides if I hit it in the center. A few times it did just push it over if it deflected off the side. It was hard to aim underwater.
Wait. Correction.
I just remembered I did fire a bunch of FMJ’s as well.
Those were probably the ones that went a good distance under water and the ones I have video of.
The JHP’s probably fell pretty quick. This was about a year ago and I don’t have the greatest memory.
BCMjUnKie: I just wanted to show you what the “Talons” are and how their different then just the regular “Rangers” and “PDX”. On the box their called “Ranger T”.
I finally got T-series for all my pistol calibers .380, .40, .45. Their very nasty. I haven’t done any test with any of them except the .45 and thats what the pics are showing.
Also, your right that the T-Series “Talons” are not for civilian sale BUT thats not a law but rather Winchesters rule. So, you can get the T-series from police trade ins and such without worrying about breaking the law. I get mine from Ammotogo.com and SGammo.com had great deals on .40 @ $25/50rounds. Regardless, those regular Rangers look pretty nasty as well.
Ill try to post expansion pics of the .380 and .40 T-Series this week.
could some one pm me and let me know how to perform the water test. i would love to see how my ammo will perform.