Did some water tests this weekend. My carry ammo is normally
Win. Talon (PDX), My G17 has Speer Gold Dot
Left to right is
.38-158gr Win. Ranger, 9mm-124gr Speer Gold Dot, .44mag-240gr Fed Hydrashock, .40-180gr Speer Gold Dot, .45- 230gr Rem. Golden Saber, .45-230gr Win. Ranger
wow that 45 slug hurts just looking at it, that is a wicked looking slug
I have a few that are Win. Talon that are just as nasty. They dont open up as far and the part of the jacket that wraps around the top is nasty
I started carrying .40 180gr Speer Gold Dots based on the recommendation of my brother-in-law (former USMC & current Florida Highway Patrol). Seeing those pictures reinforces my confidence in them.
Ill put some more pics up of some Hydrashock .40 and the Talon
The .40 Talon is my M&P carry ammo. I used to carry the Hydrashock
whats the one on the left in that last picture
It’s a Winchester Ranger.
Those are the Talon rounds. Its the same as Black Talon without the “black” lubalox coating
Those are pretty gnarly. I wouldn’t want to be on the business end of one. I may look into picking up a few boxes and head to the range. Thanks for posting the pics.
Ya man. If you try to find them online, look at Win. PDX Bonded. You can find them in almost any cal.
I remember seeing them for .308 and -06. Cant seem to find em now
Bzzt.
These rounds are several generations newer than Black Talon, and are no longer referred to as “Talon”, but simply Rangers.
I used to love to do water jugging, it was a heck of a lot of fun. I had a buddy who worked at a paper mill and he could get as many gallon and five gallon jugs as we needed. That mill is now gone and the old women who run my home range, well they’d get their girdles in a bind shore 'nuff if they ever caught anyone having any real fun. We fired everything from 22s to 460 Weatherby magnum with 350 grain bullets loaded hot. Which would by the way devastate fifty gallons of water jugs.
And everything in between. Learned quite a bit about the bullets in use at the time, which are obsolete now. If I ever have my own place to shoot I plan on making a water testing tank.
No. I have Win. Ranger. Ill take a pic and put it up. And actually the Black talons were designed for the edges coming out and cutting. They werent armor piercing
The bullets in the pics above are PDX Bonded. Almost the SAME thing as Talons
http://www.cabelas.com/handgun-ammunition-winchester-bonded-pdx1-handgun-ammunition-2.shtml
[QUOTE=Suwannee Tim;1051867]I used to love to do water jugging, it was a heck of a lot of fun. I had a buddy who worked at a paper mill and he could get as many gallon and five gallon jugs as we needed.QUOTE]
I like getting the 5 gallon buckets with a lid and hittin it with the -06.
AMAZING downrange visuals
THIS is winchester Ranger. I used to carry it
Expand the pic when it comes up
http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/dt44310/pd2117145/WINCHESTER_RANGER_RA40155HP_-_.40S_W_155grn_HP#IMAGES
For several years I had an oblong steel tub I made from a 250 gallon fuel oil tank-- I just cut about 24" off one end. The threaded hole for the outlet was just the right size for small paper cups, so, you’d plug the hole with a paper cup, fill the tub, and shoot through the paper cup, then replace is real quick-like. I had a scale in inches painted on the bottom.
Did it on hot days or wore a raincoat!
Of everything I shot into it, the only one to make it to the other end was a 10mm FMJ truncated cone-- it dented the other side, which I believe was 42 inches. It was mostly pistol ammo including .454 Casull, also some .223. I imagine '06 AP woulda holed the far side.
Wish I had more experience with calibrated gel to have a better feel for whether or not water testing really means something. I think it probably does but the correlation is the missing link for me. Anyone…?
My department issues the 180 gr. Speer GoldDot now and I’ve recovered several from test media with outstanding results. And very consistent!
We used to carry Winchester Ranger LE in 180gr. And that stuff performed very well too, as you can see above. I have a collection glued to the inside of my locker at work, and the .40 GoldDots expand almost as large as the .45’s. Warms my heart to think a thug might absorb a few of those one day.
Very cool. I really love the .40. The penetration is amazing, 10mm a pretty nice performer too. So did the .223 go all the way through?
I was pretty impressed by the slug of the Speer. I was NOT expecting it to be that nice. The .45 is amazing, its the SAME size as a quarter.
I have a pic of the slug sitting on top of the quarter, I was gonna post it but you can really see it (the coin).