I was cruising the interweb at another forum where I am a member when I stumbled across a thread title “DPMS best start” so I clicked! Once inside the op stated that after looking around he has made his mind up that DPMS is his brand of choice going on to say that throne he was looking at was $1000.00!!! I offered some friendly advise after going to Bravo Co, and Grants site about being able to buy a BCM rifle for about the same or less then a grand! I also offered a break down of what the BCM would include as far as parts and components, then a bunch of dude jumped on my case telling him to get the DPMS and it is a great rifle and with suit him fine and more or less made me out to be a snob which was not intended! I thought I was trying to steer someones the right direction! Did I cross a line?
This was my post to him!
Here you could have a complete BCM (Bravo Company Manufacturing) AR15 for less or close. While I don’t have anything against DPMS, I think you would have to look long and hand to find someone to tell you that DPMS is better the BCM! DARE I REFERENCE “THE CHART”
Now while I don’t believe the chart is the perfect answer for newbies, it should help you make a informed decision, and iF you take a look at the chart you will see that the BCM is as good or better in every category, which brings me to my conclusion!
WHY PAY MORE OR THE SAME FOR LESS!
BCM uppers offer these Mil-Spec Features:
M4 Feed Ramp Barrel Extension
M4 Feed Ramp Flat Top Receiver
T-Marked Upper Receivers
USGI 1/7 Twist Rates
USGI 5.56 NATO Chambers
Mil-Spec 11595 - 4150 Grade Barrel Steel
Chrome Lined Bore and Chamber
Manganese Phosphate Barrel Finish
Mil-Spec F-Marked Forged Front Sights
USGI Government Profile Barrels
HPT (High Pressure Test) Barrels
MPI (Magnetic Particle Inspected) Barrels
BCM auto BCG
BCM Gunfighter Charging handle
$636.00
All BCM4 Lower Receiver Groups feature
Machined from Aluminum Forgings 7075 T6
Hardcoat Anodizing: MIL-A-8625F, Type III, Class 2
You gave your .02, about all you can do really. You were not out of line. I tend to just voice my opinions in threads like that and proceed to ignore them after I hit post.
I recently had someone get all pissy at me for suggesting they reevaluate some accessories they purchased and were planning to purchase. The guy bought a UTG rail and was looking to add a Magpul ACS stock :rolleyes:
Nope not at all, here in Canada my friend got a Norinco Chinese AR15 Clone. I got an LMT he whined about how I over payed and how his Norinco was just as good. He also got pissy when I told him I’d be buying an Aimpoint and not the same Vortex Aimpoint clone that he got.
I find that most people that knock the real deal, really just can’t afford it and want it. Your not a snob they’re just sore losers.
This is the part that bothers me is that I was showing that you could have a rifle the caliber of the BCM over a DPMS for the same or less money and they were arguing the the products where comparable to warrant the same cost!
You did nothing wrong, but to avoid all the crap, I’ve occasionally sent PM’s to guys on other forums when they seem to be going down the wrong path. Guys who already own something can get defensive if you say that there is something better out there. I’d rather not start a thread fight, so I’ve decided that a politely worded PM is the way to go. Plus, you don’t run the risk of embarrassing the OP publicly, while offering him good advice than he can take or leave. I don’t really feel that I’m an expert on the AR platform and I don’t want to present myself as one publicly. I’m just someone who has read and taken what I think is good advice from those on this forum who know more than I do. That’s how I’ve handled it at least.
After seeing too many pointless, confrontational, and often uninformed pissing over AR (and other firearms) brands and parts, I have decided to avoid them.
There is absolutely no way you should worry or get frustrated about idiocy on the internet, or in the real world for that matter. You did more than enough in providing a information about a superior alternative.
The reality is that people make stupid choices everyday for a myriad of stupid reasons. There is not enough time in the day to argue with stupid people.
The best thing that you can do, is to be an excellent example. Pony up and buy yourself another BCM! Got an M4, then get a middy, got a Recce then get an SPR. Be a wonderful example.
The vast majority of folks have never heard of BCM. And while DPMS is a dirty word here there are lots of folks who like them for one reason or another. You shared the knowledge you had and that’s all one can ever do, it’s up to them to use it or not.
A lot of my coworkers come to me and ask what I recommend. I throw in my two cents and reasons why to choose certain brands. Almost all of them disregard my advice.
I try to avoid telling anyone specifically what to buy anymore. I just tell them what I have tried, what I did or didn’t like about it and what I eventually settled on (and offer to let them try it out if they’re local).
So far, only one of them actually sprang for a BCM, but a lot of my shooting buddies have Glock 19’s now…
“And I really shouldn’t even be giving it up for $1400, the boss is gonna kill me. But I wanna get you started off right…”
I hate that shit. I understand it’s a business and they’re there to make money but some of that shit borderlines on malicious. There’s a good chance they’re gonna figure out that you screwed them when they get on the net awhile down the road trying to figure why their new “top o’ the line” rifle continues to have FTF’s. So why not genuinely try and help someone make an informed decision and hopefully earn a loyal customer in the process? Unfortunately, I know that makes too much sense to be applicable in the real world.
Sorry to take this thing seriously off-track. I just get pissed when I see or hear about these things.
Edit: You didn’t cross the line. Most times people already have their minds made up before they even begin asking for advice and anything you say that’s contradictory to their pre-concieved notions is gonna fall on deaf ears. They’re just looking for people to re-enforce their decision, no matter how absurd it might be. In turn, those are going to be the only people they listen to. It’s basically an excercise in futility.
It’s not just on other sights either. How many times have you seen threads started here where people ask for advice on a purchase and no matter how much advice and quality info they receive from others in the know end up buying a Double-Star or some equivalent?
Me too. Working in a gunstore I show them what we have. I explain the different attributes of each. I tell of my experiences with using them and working on them and let them make their own decision. Some brands we don’t carry because we don’t have the room, but some brands we just don’t carry simply because they suck. We offer transfers for that junk. Some then get that junk (because their buddy has one or recommends it) and later come in to ask if I can make it run. The old saying is “pain is a wonderful teacher”.
Sometimes that ‘pain’ is from a wound to the wallet.
I look at it like religion, just because you found a better way, if you go preaching it to random people they will get pissed off. Jehovah witnesses might have the best religion, but when they wake me up on a Saturday morning I want to shoot them in the face, and refuse to listen to them.
well i appreciate the info,sorting thru the AR possibilities myself,always leaning to the BCM,KAC side anyway,your information just reinforces my thoughts,although i have experience shooting ARs,I am looking to purchase/build one,kind of a fan of trying to do it right the first time too.So no you didn’t cross a line,and yes your info has helped.
