Seems like they don’t even care if we know and are ramping it up. I don’t even know what to say anymore.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security
And this will keep us safe how?
Silence citizen. The government knows what is best for you.
They aren’t even hiding it anymore. IRS is still targeting, NSA is cocky and putting it in our faces, the scandals are a joke to the govt. They have so much of the population out to lunch that they just do what they want.
The thing that jumps out at me is this-
“…$250m-a-year US program works covertly with tech companies to insert weaknesses into products”
For all the people that say, “You’re paranoid” or “Loosen up the tinfoil”, just look at the above quote. They will do whatever it takes and NOTHING is out-of-bounds.
Most people I talk to are not concerned about getting their emails containing their favorite recipe read. I am kind of on the fence about it. The fact is there are bad guys out there and we need to catch them before they blow more shit up. Also you should not feel secure about anything you put on the net we all know it never goes away long before this happened and if someone wanted to they can get it not just the NSA. Google and other companies have programs that scan your email to taylor adds to you. Its just the way it is and I don’t see it changing.
Pat
gov is not concerned with catching anyone ? what a joke !
the only thing they want to do is make sure they keep you under there control and know everything about you so they can use it against you if they decide to its a pure power play
again boston bombers ! they were told they were terrorists and nothing
the underwear guy they did not catch someone else on the plane did even after the dad called into our gov and said he was trouble !
did same thing for the guy in NY a vendor noticed something
so even when our gov is told here is a terrorist NOTHING !!!
this is the biggest joke going that they are trying to catch bad guys ! they are told who is bad and ignore it
Among other things, the program is designed to “insert vulnerabilities into commercial encryption systems”. These would be known to the NSA, but to no one else, including ordinary customers, who are tellingly referred to in the document as “adversaries”.
WTF.
Seriously?
This is huge if it’s accurate, and it’s a hell of a lot more serious than worrying whether someone is eavesdropping on your emails.
Influencing the development of international cryptography standards has much farther-reaching implications than the wire-tapping concerns which have dominated the NSA discussions up to this point. This is far beyond privacy and individual liberty; this is a serious violation of the fundamental trust relied upon for financial transactions and trade around the world. Encryption is critical to protect your identity, your bank accounts, and all of the infrastructure you depend on in your daily life. It is also absolutely critical to the security of every major nation on the planet.
I’m honestly less surprised that they’ve managed to get “backdoors” into commonly-used commercial software packages, but this could potentially be much more damaging. If such attack points exist in deployed systems, then anyone who is aware of the exploit can compromise it. It’s a very risky strategy, and one which absolutely depends on secrecy. That doesn’t seem to be the strong point of the US gov these days.
We suck so bad as a society. Our founders would have stormed DC long before things would have come this point and burned it to the ground …
Perhaps we should give the FBI copys of the keys to our homes and cars then. Let them come and go as they please and rummage through our personal belongings, our private photographs, intamate letters from a lover, our bank and credit card statements. I mean, If we’re not doing anything wrong we should have nothing to hide, right?
Google isn’t scanning emails to put you in jail, and you have to agree to their user agreement allowing them to do what they do. Google is an advertising company. All their services are a means to an end to advertising things to you. Outside of that they don’t really care. Their scanners look for keywords that trigger an ad placement.
I’ve personally closed all my Google accounts and have paid email hosting now. Thus Google can’t scan my emails.
I don’t get the rationalization that because this is the web…it’s ok to violate the BOR. This should have the same protection as anything else. Just because I am using the web doesn’t mean I don’t have an expectation of privacy in communications that aren’t made public. Like emails, texts, PM’s, ect. Obviously stuff we post on here isn’t meant to be private.
General warrants are not supposed to happen. Otherwise a judge could sign a warrant to search every house. This is basic law here that warrants have to describe specific places to be searched. But we have this FISA court over here signing secret general warrants for large swaths of people and that is just not right.
Unfortunately, some of what Alaskapopo touches on, is reality. Since the NSA, Google and whatever other .net entity already has in place the tools to do this surveillance, break encryptions and so on, I don’t see it going away. Even if the government suddenly said, yes, citizen’s privacy is worth something and we won’t allow anymore NSA snooping on US citizens…would anyone here really believe that the NSA would stop what they’re doing? Really?
I think one of a few things, or maybe all need to happen, and I think it will. The article references executives that were approached by the NSA by way of super secret court warrants, where the NSA demanded any technology had that they couldn’t peek through. One of those exec’s has to stand up, go public right off the bat and tell the NSA to go f*** themselves. The other thing that needs to happen is there is probably some techno geek out there right now developing some level of encryption that the NSA doesn’t have. That person needs to make that encryption available and tell the NSA to go f*** themselves. Lastly, if there is enough of a public uproar, maybe, just maybe something will give. Doubtful, but…maybe.
I don’t know how you feel about Snowden, but in my mind the guy’s a hero. I’m very thankful to him for providing the revelations about the NSA’s serious overreach. Absolutely re-enforces my belief of “you can not trust the government at all”.
Although I agree with you on Snowden revealing the breeches the NSA does, they are doing it even still and right in our face with more intensity. Even after saying they aren’t reading emails and listening to calls, we find out they are and watching many more citizens than they admitted to and they are still doing it.
Alaskapopo, give it up with the recipe reading nonsense.
Google isn’t breaking people’s encryption. Their email snooping has really been mischaracterized, and you have to sign a user agreement. I believe they also have a setting to turn personalized ads off.
Facebook falls under the same category. They are an advertising company.
Originally Posted by Alaskapopo
…The fact is there are bad guys out there and we need to catch them before they blow more shit up. …Its just the way it is and I don’t see it changing.
So it’s OK for the USPS to open and read our letters?
Pat’s opinion should be no surprise to anyone here.
If you all want this thread to stay open, you would do well to just ignore him.
Agreed.
I don’t know why you guys are all upset. Football season is about to start and that’s what’s important.
Absolutely!
Get the range all to myself on Sundays!
