The first half is right, especially with younger people it seems. They have no expectation of privacy- of course they are too young to have some of that stuff come back and bite them.
There are reports that a guy in our neighborhood has been asking young boys to get in his van. With all this stuff out there, cameras on every traffic light, they can’t seem to figure out who he is. If we are going to live with out privacy, at least do something actually beneficial.
I think if you tried to pass most of the Bill of Rights today, people wouldn’t pass most of them…
My question for people is if a Russian landed in New York telling us how they spy on their own people, their allies and do cyber attacks on their enemies- what would we call him? Would we send him back? We would hail him as a hero and a use him to attack the ‘evil empire’.
Until we stop allowing this bullshit and actually do something, we will be treated as subjects/slaves and literally pay money out of our own pockets to further our own enslavement.
It’s odd because if that were the case why is it drug/human trafficking, child pornography et al still happens with abundance? They have all of this Intel at their fingertips yet nada…
If you use your assets on things of lower value such as drug trafficking people will know you have that capability because it will be discoverable in court and then the more dangerous bad guys like terrorists will not use the internet for these communications making your asset useless. Snowden has not done anyone a favor and in fact he has compromised national security.
Pat
Individual analysts? sure their probably no different than your average Joe making a living and believing in what they do. Their attitudes are of no real concern to me or probably to anyone else on this board.
The collective desires, interests, and future oriented intentions of their senior managers and more specifically that of the agency’s upper echelons and political handlers is what concerns everyone. What do they want and what do they want the NSA to evolve into down the road 5yrs, 15yrs, 30yrs, etc.
I actually agree with you on this, however the sticking point is whether the NSA’s definition of “bad guys” matches up to mine. I don’t appreciate all the (newly legalized) propaganda referring to veterans, constitutionalists, etc. as people worthy of spying on.
Nor do I think most Americans care what people on this board with libertarian leanings feel. But at the end of the day just how bad is this really in affecting your personal freedom. Honestly. How does what you have learned about the NSA’s surveillance affected your day to day life.
I thought it was mentioned earlier that we shouldn’t expect things on the internet to remain private, thus spying is ok. So why would terrorists keep using the internet if we’re to expect the NSA to have access to everything?
I doubt they care about all members of these groups but I do want them to care about the ones like Tim Mcveigh. If we just put blinders on we will have a lot more bombings and people being killed.
Pat
That doesn’t have anything to do with what Snowden leaked. There have been whistleblowers in the past. We were just called tinfoilers for bringing the issue up.
And the FBI claims to stop a terrorist attack when they get some idiot to think he’s going to let off a real bomb after months of coercion, and 9 out of the 10 people in the room are FBI agents.
To a certain exent that seems to be growing and growing every day. Yes.
The level of personal iberty we SHOULD have is diminishing, and I pay money to be controlled more and more.
I do not feel like a “slave” in the literal sense. Just enslaved to a machine that seeks to impede/destroy my liberty and way of life. I’m forced to pay taxes that finances the destruction of our constitution and our libberty- that is a form of slavery.
Rights are mere permissions to this government which has GROWN well beyond its original intent, taking powers never enumerated and squashing states rights.
When I cannot bear arms without the permission of my overlords, I feel enslaved to an extent, definitely.
When our government moves legislation forward that less than 25% of the nation wants just because they want to, are we not but slaves to their will?
That’s not the ****ing point pat. The war in Iraq didn’t affect my daily life much either save for gas going up and costing me more annually. It’s the simple fact that our government has in place operations irrespective of their intended purposes that conflict with the rule of law and have imposed upon liberty.
That’s like saying the IRS scandal is irrelevant because it didn’t directly impact me or you when in actually what has done is stifled free speech. At the end of the day this NSA nonsense is no different, only more enraging. People have been coerced into being concerned about what they may or may not post online regardless of the content and they government spearheaded this endeavor. That is tyranny.