About 9 mins. Very little of this I disagree with, but as with any form of government, there will never be a purely Libertarian government because humans are involved… As always, don’t agree 100% of the time, but I still find myself agreeing with most of it, and in my view, modern day Libertarian is closer to old school GOP, which is financially “conservative” and socially “liberal.”
Based on the written text at that link, it sounds like they want open borders. That is a deal breaker for me. I did not watch the video.
It’s more nuanced then that, but lets say yes for now. It would never happen as Libertarians envision, The DNC and GOP have a lot of deal breakers for me and others and are “lesser of two evils” party for many, and if any party has only one deal breaker issue, that’s pretty damn good in my view. Whether that’s the actual position of the Libertarian party, there’s variations of it with individual Libertarian politicians, who no doubt may actually find the workable balance. I agree that a sovereign nation needs to control its own borders.
I can agree with that as stated, except controlling our borders is my #1 issue today, which makes it a deal breaker for me. Unless we control our borders, everything else is lost, IMO.
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They are for open borders on these premises:
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All property should be private and therefore immigrants are determined by property owners, not government and “public” space.
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All immigrants have same natural rights and should be allowed to travel freely (like our own constitution says).
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Govt assistance programs should never exist.
Now based on those premises, we all get why they aren’t Democrats. And open borders will be a small issue with these points corrected. The Libertarian Party likes to grandstand on this moral virtue without addressing the status quo that creates even greater infractions against liberty. Until they can address the problem, their open border policy is still in the ivory tower.
I’m more Libertarian than anything else, and I support most of their platform, but that was not a good or compelling speech.
Saying government agents along the southern border have committed acts of cruelty that shocked the conscience is a bit over the top, and no one is proposing a prohibition on immigration. We need to control our borders. No one said we need to close our borders.
Saying the Democrats are carening us towards Socialism is true. Saying the Republicans are careening us towards Facism is also a bit of a stretch.
I believe in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, as written, but it sounds like they are trying to play towards our fears just like the other two parties.
Their open border policy turned me off years ago, too.
I know I’m going to get flamed for this but…
I have a slight issue with this. Or rather I’m conflicted about it.
As an immigrant gov assistance was of great help. My parents used it to be able to go to school and learn English without having to worry about food and shelter. Aside from food stamps I’m not sure what else was involved since I was a little kid. I do remember my parents weren’t thrilled with the idea of food stamps and used them as supplemental form of payment but they did use it. I can’t give a precise time frame but we were off of them within a year give or take. It was around the same time we bought a house which was less than two years after arriving. So from personal experience I know it does help.
Aside from that people do suddenly loose work, have unexpected medical bills or other sudden and unexpected problems. Gov assistance can help alleviate some of that stress.
However, I totally get it that people over use it and abuse it. They sit on welfare their whole lives and pump out kids like they’re going out of style. They abuse the system thats meant to give temporary help. Not to mention all the illegals coming here for this very reason. Not all but majority. And even if theyre initial plan isn’t for handouts but to get on their feet many still get it and get sucked into the welfare cycle
A part of me wants to end that. Just kick them off and theyll either sink or swim. But a part of me knows and understands what it’s like to need and receive temporary assistance
The difference between illegal and legal is where that fine line exists. If you did the right thing and passed through legally, well, God Bless you.
Glad it worked out for you and your family. That is how it’s supposed to be used. Sometimes it’s needed, but it should not become a lifestyle. It should be a safety net - not a hammock.
I hold some common ground with libertarians, but I don’t consider myself a libertarian at all. I’m anti-corrupt government and anti-socialist; I certainly believe we can, and should, have a LOT less government than we do now; regulation, taxes, and laws in general are out of control. I’m not anti-government though. An all powerful government is, obviously, a horrible, dangerous situation, but an ungoverned population isn’t any better. Both government and citizens need to keep each other in check; mutual distrust.
That’s supposed to be the GOP platform, but well, you know…
The final nail in the Libertarian party’s coffin was putting Gary “I’d make them bake the cake” Johnson and Bill “I support gun control” Weld on the 2016 presidential ticket.
I think people make a mistake expecting ANY party to be truly interested in anything but its own perpetuation.
That certainly didn’t help. Gary Johnson is flakier than a snowstorm.
The sad thing is, both those stances are completely opposite of true Libertarian ideals. They were as much Libertarian as the hildbeast was Centrist.
I am not a republican but will vote that way more independent
problem with the libertarian is they tend to be conservative and take from that and have no chance on winning ?
yeah its nice to vote what you feel and that is what its about BUT its also stupid to give the worse side the advantage work on libertarian things on a local level where one might have more chance and control cause it is not going to happen anytime soon I would be willing to bet
Small ‘l’ libertarian yes. Libertarian party? Yeah, that’s a no from me dawg.
The gun control issue and especially the general pro-choice stance is more than enough to relegate the party to be the Losertarians. I consider them to be amoral and I’d be happy if they just faded away.