Buck Pierson CEO of Staccato (Formally STI) on 2011’s and their testing etc by HSLD types. From a longer interview. No doubt they are trying to get 1911 based pistols back into the hands of the SOF community via the Staccato. STI has been making double stack 1911 race guns for a long time, they were big $, so they have the experience engineering background to produce a pistol the SOF community might adopt with the “best of all possible worlds” performance and reliability. Nothing new about double stack high cap 1911 based pistols, issue was always reliability. They were relegated to comp guns for that reason mostly, and of course costs. You did have companies like Para-Ordnance producing double stack 1911s and they were not reliable. In my experience they were garbage. They usually required multiple trips to a smith who could get get them running well enough to be used for a comp gun, certainly not as duty/SD pistol. The company that finally broke the code of producing a highly reliable double stack high cap 1911 based gun, not surprisingly, was Wilson Combat, and EDC X9 was introduced in 2016. It was intended as SD/EDC from the beginning, vs as a comp gun per se. Staccato seems to have capitalized on the term 2011, but there’s nothing new as to the attempts to produce reliable double stack high cap 1911 based pistol. Reliable is truly the operative word there, and I hear generally good things about Staccato for reliability. The interest in 1911 based double stack high cap 1911s (2011’s), due to the success of Staccato in the market, has trickled down to other brands charging less $, and reliability seems a mixed bag.
Staccato is a funny thing. I tend to agree with Ben Stoeger on the idea that they’re a pretty good gun, but you are paying for their fat marketing overhead.
I’m curious what sort of ammo the SF guys would use. As weak as 9mm is in stopping threats in LE videos, it would be a terrible choice if you were stuck with ball ammo. Regular soldiers used to report of the 9mm ball ammo’s tendency to zip right through the enemy without phasing them in the middle east.
I get when the SF guys went to 1911s in 45. Capacity sucks, but there’s actual threat stoppage in that gun.
The thumbnail shows a comped staccato. This is the sad state of American laziness. An uncomped 9mm is a breeze to shoot, but that’s still too much work for our lazy asses? Good God.
Duty pistol rounds don’t have stopping power. None of them do.
They just have varying degrees of sucking at making people stop doing things you don’t want them to do.
9mm is the current best balance between capacity, ease of use for a wide range of shooters, and the scale of sucking at instantly stopping people doing bad things.
The only way to gain instant stops with pistols is with solid hits to the CNS. Works every time. Outside of that you have upper thoracic hits that will stop the heart but don’t instantly stop the individual. All other hits leave the recipient with a choice, keep doing whatever it is that got them shot and risk further injury or decide getting shot sucks I don’t want to get shot anymore so it is time to run away/surrender.
Okay, .45 acp “sucks less” than 9mm so that’s what i carry.
I’m not concerned with how other people shoot, just me. I don’t care .45 can cost more. I reload it. Capacity? Mine holds 10+1. I carry a spare mag. As long as I’m not a downed pilot in hostile territory I’m okay with that.
If i suspect I’ll need more firepower that day outside of the house I’ll bring a larger firearm or stay home.
RON3, Nothing wrong with that. I have the same amount of rounds in my G26/G28. With a back up 15 round mag, I do not see my self running dry in a self defense shooting.
You know I hated giving up my 1911 when I served, I understand why folks want to bring it back and STI seems a capable Bunch to handle the job.
I think more than anything they decided 9mm had significantly less recoil and they were more concerned with Marksmanship Scores than putting a nail in an enemy ass when you shot them down.
Its soo comical when people defend there carry choice and shit on anything else. ITs 2026, everyone but room temp IQ’s realize they all suck. Research all duty calibers, and then add 380 ACP. They all have 1 hit take downs and have 12 plus rounds to take down someone. Those 2 articles were using 45 ACP.
My first shooting with a pistol was with a 1911 45acp, great hits and it took the next guy in the stick to take the terrorist out with his rifle to solve the problem.
Understanding that all duty pistol rounds suck, was what drove me to find the 357sig Leighi Defense rounds. I have shot pigs with it and it works .
Now to the 2011s being tested by the unit. I understand for certain missions why this pistol has merit. The interesting thing would be if they could get the pistol to work in very bad conditions as well as a Glock. But I remember Larry Vickers saying that in Astan that even the Glocks were going down on helicopter insertions due to the brown out dust storms the choppers would cause.
If i remember right, the key to reliability with all of these depended on how well the design prevented grime from entering. Once grime got in things went downhill fast.
Dude in the vid claims the model being field tested passed the dreaded dust test that was developed, but that’s second hand claim and enough crap in any gun will put it out of action no doubt. It’s interesting to note that while Staccato/STI has doubled down on the 1911 based pistols, Wilson developed something that goes in a very different direction for them. They claim Glock like reliability, a longer service life, with 1911 trigger. It’s also much less $ than any usual Wilson, and less or similar $ than most Staccato offerings. Wilson is clearly directly targeting (no pun intended…) the Glock 19 market, and double stack polymer 9mm market in general, and they even made sure it fits most Glock 19 holsters. I think Wilson has a real winner with that pistol, but only time will tell.
Now all my gunfighting was done with an M16A4 in Iraq but I never once thought “Man it would be rad if I only had 10 rounds in the magazine” or “Shit I wish I didn’t have all these spare magazines on me.”
nothing wrong with that. If price per round was not a factor, I would be only shooting full power 10MM. But oh well. As far as 45 ACP, i shoot maybe 100-200 a year. And that’s from an vintage 1911. I shoot more 40, 357 sig and 380 than i do 45. Nothing wrong with it. But locally its 50 cents a round and can not justify buying a case online.
No it was Hydra Shok. 45 ACP was very hard to get in Israel and cost a ton of money. So every trip a family member came from the USA they had to bring me carry ammo. I trained with my issued Hi Power and then carried the 1911 on missions. My immediate commander didn’t care, so it was all good.
The funny thing after that shooting I was told I had to carry my issued Hi Power which was with FMJ bullets. My first shooting with the Hi Power it worked a lot better than the 1911.
This started me on my quest to understand bullets and people. The first thing I did was looked at 9mm v 11.4mm aka 45acp. 2.4 mm is so small a difference.
