After shooting, owning numerous glocks and shooting them for 4 years, even taking some classes with
some SMEs , I am pretty much decided to finally move away from glocks
I have own 4 glocks 2 17s and a 19 gen 3 and one 19 gen 4
I recently bought , ( or should I say traded a g 26 and a pos cetme ) for a gen 4 19 with the hopes that putting an Apex extractor It would stop the BTF issues,
I tried it with my other glocks but still get occasional BTF, The gen 4 is the worst, Because I get hit in the left eye several times. Luckily I wear glasses, But still not cool
I know there are way too many threads on here about glock extractor issues but I needed to rant, and ask advice. I also own a HK p30 LEM and a PPQ, I shot the P30 a couple months ago and the PPQ again today I seem to shoot the PPQ a little better, But the availability of aftermarket parts for the PPQ are not as available as the P30, and neither have availability as glock. I am not a fan of the P 30 trigger but with practice I think I can be ok. I also prefer a striker fired pistol, as many people on here and some SMEs believe hammer fired pistols are obsolete.
I pretty much decided to use only one of 2 platforms hk p30 or walther PPQ
My other thought was to send in my glocks to Randy Lee to have the ejection port window lowered, but I am leery of the final option because I dont know if over time it would cause a crack in the slide.
If i’m following your post correctly, all of your glocks exhibit btf? Were they all bought around the same time 09-2012/early13? If so, maybe you should try and sell them, and buy a newer 2014 production glock. I’'ve heard of people having better luck with those. Also the P30 and ppq are both respectable platofrms. However, if you like their ergonomics and still want abundant aftermarket availability, i’d consider a M&P with a stormlake fitted barrel from Grant. Price wise, that should slide in between the ppq and p30.
You have four years of familiarity with an outstanding handgun platform. Why switch? It’s almost like starting over. The late problems with new Glock pistols can be fixed rather easily, it seems.
Sorry about your bad luck even with the recent production g19. As a side note, have you experienced btf with carry ammo, or only practice ammo? If you shoot the ppq better, i’d go with it. Also, Trijicon is releasing their HD sights for the ppq. They’re one of my favorite sights, and there are a few good holsters out there as well. With the ppq’s popularity I can only image that more and more aftermarket companies will start manufacturing parts. Also is your hk a v1 lem? if not i’d try one of those because the trigger is lighter than the other lem models -closer tho the walthers pull, but with a much longer reset.
not really + there are many others who switched
I wont go into details but if you do a search on here about glock extraction issues youll see what i mean
I’ve read all about them. Sending it back to glock isn’t a bad idea either. It could also be the ejector. It’s hard to argue that these problems aren’t almost exclusively related to a bad ejector or extractor (or both). Then again, you could just send them all to me if you just can’t take it anymore :lol:
Never mind kind of should have just took a poll
instead of over complicating things
IF mods want to close or delete please feel free. Sorry for wasting time
BTF drove me to the PPQ. Recently bought my second PPQ…sold my Glock and never looked back. Don’t miss it a bit even though the BTF issue was fixed by some Apex machinations. For me, especially not being overly invested in Glock accoutrements, absolutely no point in keeping the Glock around, even a functional one. I find the PPQ vastly superior.
There are also lots of people that switched and then switched back and many others (who are exceptional shooters) who have switched to “obsolete” hammer fired DA/SA guns.
If you aren’t confident in your guns, go with something else. Even if it is all in your mind, it will hinder your improvement.
While all guns may give you BTF (I have read about and experienced multiple brands doing it), confidence in the gun you are shooting is important to get you to focus on software not on your hardware.
That being said. You need to ignore most of the anecdotes on the internet. Other than a few vetted examples it is impossible to tell the difference between an actual bonafide user, a kid in his mom’s basement that has never shot a gun, a person who shoots 50rds a year with “flawless” performance, an astroturfer looking to drum up business or a troll just trying to stir up crap about a particular brand of gun.
You will really have to buy and see what works for YOU and makes YOU confident via YOUR particular guns performance with YOUR shooting abilities. Not what you read on the errornet.
Thanks Grant I know they are both excellent which is why its hard for me to decide
I actually had an M&P in both 9 and 45 not liking the trigger and accuracy issues + I had numerous magazine springs bend on the 45 with Smith and Wesson sending me new springs with no fix or acknowledging there was a problem Kinda like Glock wont admit to having a problem with BTF
I have an HK45c and a PPQ. I also have 5 9mm Glocks and 10 years experience with them.
Each time I shoot I more and more strongly consider the full switch to the PPQ. I am largely invested in Glock both in gear and time and training, the performance of the PPQ is really pulling me in.
I’m a big Glock guy. Bought my first in 1988. I’ve got four gen 4s, two are 9mm and no issues. Why not look for a RTF2 in 17 and/or 19?
I owned a PPQ for awhile. Nice gun. Didn’t like the paddle mag release or high bore axis, but if getting completely away from Glocks, that’s the plastic I’d carry.
I have 5500 rounds through my first PPQ (BC) and about 500 rounds through the BD I got a couple of months ago. Haven’t needed any maintenance parts, but I did buy some recoil springs, a striker assy, extractor and some other doodads from Earl’s as I was closing in on 5000 rounds just in case. Getting them was certainly was no problem. Everything was readily available in stock and they shipped immediately. I’ve had no problem getting sights and holsters that work great for me (Dawson, 10-8, BladeTech, RCS, DeSantis). I can’t think of any other aftermarket parts I need or want since I don’t need to fix any ejection issues like my Glock or deal with an aftermarket barrel to get accuracy like I did with my M&P, or fix a crappy trigger like I did with both the Glock and the M&P.
