When I see a post like this I feel compelled to look at the post count. Should I describe this feeling as paranoid skepticism, or just a good 'ol gut feeling?
On topic. It’s all about the missing specs I suppose. However, I do think that lower is moderately neato. I hope it’s legit… Adding another solid option to the mix cant hurt.
Military. The Sgt in charge of our amory loves to order in new toys to check out and he’s a pretty big Sig fan anyway but then that seems to come from experiance. If they come out with something new that’s may be appropriate for such a unit he’s usually on the ball to get his hands on a few. Another recent aquisition that he seems to like is a couple of the Colt Match Target M4 Carbines with their monolithic rail system.
After hearing the guys talk about it I think I’m gonna try and get my hands on one someday soon.
I don’t, but the Sgt. is a pretty big fan. But then he’s a fan of anything new that he can get his hands on. Has to spend the aromorys budget alotment somewhere, wouldn’t it be nice if we all had such a budget for our own personal toys 
Last time I checked, Sergeants weren’t given free reign to order whatever weapons they want…
Also, last time I checked (or at least on the last military base I visited) soldiers don’t just walk over to their truck and pull out some ammo they bought at Wal-Mart to test weapons owned by the .Gov…
Something here doesn’t add up.
Delta Sergeants are.
Duh.
Sorry, but your post is bullshit. You cannot simply use an armory budget to buy weapons for any reason. I have worked with enough SOF personnel to know that they have limitations and this certainly isn’t happening in a regular unit.
I think the specs are out there now, I know the barrel is Hammer Forged, Fully Chrome-Molly Lined, 1:7, M4 profile albeit not the angles on the cuts I think you usually see on them, M4 feedramps. Supposed to be fully mil-spec.
This is more personal opionions but from what they told me they were “extremely impressed” with two sections particular, first was the lower saying it was very rigid and loved some of the features including those people know about such as the Ambi setup and the QD points but also some you may not notice in pictures such as the extra large ridge around the mag well providing for a nicely beveled inner lip. The second was the BCG and the BCG to barrel lockup, now I am not the biggest AR15/M16 user, never used them much in my particular MOS, mainly used P228’s and later P229’s though I did have to quality with them every three months. So I may get the terminlogy wrong but they seemed to be pretty impressed with the BCG which sounded like they felt it was more riged then some others and where was something about the gas systems seating point being an upgrade to many. He also said that the coating on the BCG’s parts and innder receiver housing seemed to be (and I may be saying this wrong) but some kind of perminantly lubricated coating or a coating that aided in lubrication. That part didn’t make much sense to me how you can have something perminantly lubricated just by a coating put on at the factory but maybe it makes sense to others. Now was is all being told to me by one friend but he was passing along the others comments, and he said he’d love to buy that whole BCG setup and drop it into his own rifle. He was clearly impressed by the rifle, particular considering the price point. In the end he said you wouildn’t do better for less and could actually spend quite a bit more and still only be equil in his personal opinion. His only complaint seemed to be that he wished they’d put a small section of rail as the forward gas block with a flip-up sight, instead of the classic front site that they used. Something closer to what the 516 Patrol Tactical model came with was how he put it.
What? Um, lowers should be rigid. They’re forged out of metal.
There’s no special coating on the BCG that I saw. It was a poorly staked run of the mill semiauto BCG.
And that would be where you went askew in your statement, you were assuming it was a regular unit.
This isn’t gonna go well.
He seemed to think there was, I wonder if the Mil/LE models are identical to the Civillian models? I haven’t even seen the rifles that he was telling me about so this was all just from a long phone call. I’m semi-retired now (21 years Army, 17 as a TDS with GSS) and back in Arkansas and he’s on the other side of Kentucky so a bit of a drive. It’d be nice to know if there were any difference or if it was just something on them because they was new from the factory that could wear off.
Does the Army issue 228’s and 229’s? I know the Navy types issue many Sigs.
I didn’t assume shit. I said point blank that it didn’t happen in whatever SOF unit you are imagining and it didn’t happen in a conventional unit. I hope that makes it a little clearer for you.
The Army issues the M11 (Sig P228) to CID personnel AFAIK.
Well, I didn’t mean any disrespect by saying that the way I did, I of course know that no one in the service considers THEIR unit “regular” just like all moms consider their child “special”, but I simply meant regular in the context that I felt he was thinking of… Your normal unit that gets all of their supplies through the “food chain” and is not allowed anything not in their AEL. I was simply refering to units (yes, like the one I was in for 17 years) that carry out special assignments and our supply is given a budget to aquire more specialized equipment on an as needed basis without having to go through a lot of red tape, and what’s left at the end of the budget gets used to do some, shall we say “research” into newer or alternative equipment.
You still have a ton of explaining to do…
Any unit with a budget as vast as this unit you mention, wouldn’t be buying commercial Colt Sporters with a monolithic rail (6940), or SIG AR-15s. If you want to be believed, you’re going to have to try and be a little more realistic.
Yep, they did for years… that was my standard side arm for much of my carrier until we went to the P229, first in 9mm and finally in .40 and then after 9/11 we got some P239’s in .40 for certain operations where we needed extra concealment. They pulled us from our rutine type of assignments and stuck us on planes for a few moths while they got a new force of full-time sky marshals trained. One of the most boring times in my carrier but unfortunatally a nessisary one at the time. I like flying but 8-10 hours a day, 4-6 days a week (more than that at first), for a three month roation is just… :blink:
I would love to know how he simply “purchased” several long guns with the armory budget money to simply do testing. This flies in the face of normal logic.
I can understand if a Sig Rep went to their location and allowed them to shoot them, but simply buying multiple long guns in his name with .GOV funding for “testing” isn’t going to fly.
I’m not sure “vast” would be the right word by any streach of the imagination but what was left got used. I think there’s a “if we don’t use it all this month, they will assume we don’t need it and cut us back next month” type of mentality. To be honest I don’t know much about the finances, that’s just my basic understanding of it. I wasn’t in supply, I just know we got what we needed when we needed it, even if it wasn’t from “normal” channels and the man who was in charge of supply has a thing for doing such things with some of the extra money.
I don’t think it was a sportster though. Don’t sportsers all say Sportster on them and not say “LE/Military Use/Export Only” on them? I thnk you are right that there is a Sporter model thats almost identical only without the LE markings, the M6400 or something like that so you may be thnking the right style even though not the specific model.
Heck they could have been on loan, saying he bought them could actually be an assumtion on my part. I don’t recall him actually saying they bought them, only that they “got them in” so maybe that was me reading in something that wasn’t there. I can tell you we did often get to meet with the local Sig rep. I think he was actually assigned to us, I’m sure not JUST to us, but we certainly seemed to be on his “regular” visit list when he was on base …and by “he” I am being general because over the years we had more than one. That aside, our supply Sgt did have a thing for buying some off the wall items on the side but yea, it’s possible he didn’t buy these particular ones.
You have to keep in mind though that we OFTEN carried civilian wepons and gear, and it was quite intentional. We would go overseas on an assignment and be told to leave our wepons behind or be given “off the shelf” wepons and gear. Same reason that we don’t normally wear uniforms, when we was on a protection detail they want us to look like we could be just locally hired security, right down to having wepons that anyone in the locatioon we was at could have bought locally. We do protection, and in some parts of the world looking like your working for the US just makes you and your charge targets. Looking like local hires is much more effective in many places. Sig because of their world wide presence has always been a favorite for that reason, you can get them and their parts in most countries.