Reading LAV’s thread that is a sticky above says that there were a few things that HK germany didn’t get quite right in final production of the hk45&P30’s, that Dave Bowie can fix.
After sending him an email I got back a response I completely didn’t expert. He basically said the P30 sucks and the trigger is a crappy design that he can’t really do much improvement on. I thought he might have been having a grumpy day and dismissed it but then another HK owner received a similar email.
While i completely understand the issues people have with stock HK triggers. Do you really think the trigger is that terrible? There are a few companies that do really good trigger jobs on the hk45/P30’s.
HK triggers suck, and there’s really not much to debate. Other than Grey Guns, I’m not aware of any reputable place that can do much for them (and even then you’re looking at the cost of a used Glock). The trade off is you’re getting probably the most bomber gun on the market. Some people see that as a fair trade. Others don’t.
I must be odd, because I have H&Ks, a Glock, and 1911s and though each has a different trigger, I don’t think any of them “suck”. Maybe I am just numb or ignorant as to what a “great” trigger feels like?
There has to be a con for each brand, have to try them for your self and try to separate actual, experimental knowledge from other people’s opinions to see which ones are exaggerated, taken lightly, or personal issues. Same time eyes open to what is getting hoisted up to glory and what is getting kicked around based on popularity/monetary reasons.
Some people will say reliability first and foremost only a little bit before or after saying they use/recommend Glock, M&P, etc. instead of HK because of the awful triggers. :ph34r:
Despite loving HK pistols, and having shot ten of thousands of rounds thru the P30/HK45, their triggers do suck. While there might be the outlier who shoots the LEM better, give a standardized test to 100 shooters, and 95 of them will shoot a Glock or M&P better. The HK is accurate, reliable, and well made, and certainly a great firearm for someone that values its attributes.
One comment though: What kind of standardized test are you thinking of? Reason I bring that up is, the M&P 9 “accuracy issue.” If accuracy would be any part of such a standard test, I would venture to guess that (even though I’m an M&P guy), the P30’s would win at least in that part of the test.
They are not terrible, but they can be improved on. DA/SA is not easy to shoot anyway, and HK rendition can use some clean-up.
HK45 LEM out of box is a very nice trigger, as long as you’re OK with LEM in general. P30 LEM has a long reset and that can be something they should be able to do right at HK, but they don’t.
I can’t and won’t comment on David’s opinion. As far as “nothing can be done”, well, I have a Bruce Gray P30 LEM on me right now that has very smooth travel, nice break and reset half of what it was out of the box.
An entirely separate discussion is how much all of these niceties actually improve performance over stock. Doing some comparisons, I have found some unusual things…
In all due respect, I think folks tend to allocate more blame to triggers than to themselves. Objectively, LEM is not an easy trigger system to master, and I’ll be the first to admit it. However, I don’t understand people’s desire to make a Glock trigger out of LEM. Would it be nice, yes, is it possible, no, either take it and learn it or leave it.
And, as far as HK’s DA/SA trigger poo-pooing goes, I am yet to hear somebody say they can bang targets away at will with Sig’s DA/SA but can’t with HK’s…
This. I have an HkP30 that was sent off to Gray for a trigger job.
Granted I was a little pissed buying a P30 and then turning around and dropping a couple hundred more on a trigger job, shipping, etc. But now it is a perfect pistol and I am happy… just a little lighter in the wallet.
