Well I guess the comments about the HK trigger confirm what I always thought about them, and about the leading combat pistols on the market: you have to upgrade most of these pistols regardless, to get them to optimal performance. If it’s not the trigger, it’s something else, the barrel, the grips, the sights, whatever.
Given that, I guess I’ll just stick with my M&P 9’s until the Apex (or S&W?) fixes for the barrel and/or locking block become available.
I have a H&K P30 LEM v1 trigger.
My impressions: the take-up could be smoothed out. The reset is a bit too long. The actual break is only about 5lbs though and has a much cleaner break than my brand new Gen 4 Glock 19 (which has a ton of creep). It doesn’t feel as nice as my broken in Gen 3 Glock, but my impression is that things should smooth out nicely over time.
This is not news. It has already been proven that all pistols do in fact suck. So quit complaining.
I had a P30 with the “Reduced reset” trigger by Greygun’s and i was underwhelmed. The reset was much shorter, but still had take up before the break at reset. And the reset was weak and indistinct. I much prefer a stock Glock trigger, so i sold the P30. After hearing so much praise for Greygun’s trigger work, i was surprised that it wasn’t better. Greygun’s is the best you can do with an HK trigger i suppose.
In their reduced reset package, they don’t specify the strength of reset. Since almost everybody asks for lower trigger pull, they modify/replace springs and one of those easily modifiable is a trigger return spring. Going to V1 variant of LEM involves replacing that spring, and V1 has the lightest trigger pull. With that, one can’t eat the cake and have it - the pull will go down but reset will become weaker.
1911 has a longest history of customization. In 1911 world it is generally expected that a discerning customer who shells out good money knows what he wants. If he doesn’t, then perhaps upfront discussion with gunsmith is warranted. I don’t see why it should be any different with HK. When I sent mine to Bruce, I specifically indicated I wanted short and positive reset and TRS was not to be touched, and that’s exactly what I got back.
I bought the P30 from a member of HKPro. Bruce Grey has mentioned that the travel before the break at reset, can not be eliminated without compromising reliability.
I have a new V3, I changed the FPB spring with the lighter one and a lighter wolf hammer spring. I have thousands of rounds through it now without any malfunctions but still my biggest complain is the long reset. That and the creep are really my only complaints.
I still shoot it better than all of my other da/sa pistols and it’s still the only brand pistol that I haven’t had to send back to the manufacturer. That says something to me.
Yes, pretravel is not modifiable. I asked about it too. It is though not much different from a DA pull, although it is much lighter and should be manageable. Your reset concern, though, should’ve been fixable with a stronger trigger return spring.
Do you have an access to a da/sa sig with srt?
I wouldn’t say the triggers suck, needs improvement sums it up though. Both of my HKs have the LEM trigger, and although the reset is a bit long, it is more than acceptable for carry/duty use.
That being said, the grip and controls of the post-USP pistols fit my hands better than most pistols on the market today, and have proven to be amazingly reliable in my experiences. That is why I continue to buy them. I still think a Gen. 3 Glock 9mm is an excellent choice for most, and offers a better factory trigger, however they do not fit my small hands and once I account for a grip redux I could just buy an HK that fits me and doesn’t need to be sent right out for mods.
Lastly, there are very few guns on the market that don’t have a number of companies providing parts and modifications to make it “better.” Faulting an HK for not having a fantastic factory trigger when a large part of your business involves reducing the grip frame of a competitor’s gun so it will fit in someone’s hand appropriately seems contradictory and biased to me.
Yes, P226 TacOps in 9mm. It’s already been back to Sig twice. The first problem was with a bent trigger bar, the second & third problems were mag related.
The first time they replaced the mags with the cheap Made in the USA mags. The second time they replaced 6 of my mags with the Mec-gar versions.
My TacOps was my absolute favorite pistol of all time even having the issues I had. When I got my P30L, I shot it better, it carried easier and it was lighter so it won out as my daily carry/training pistol. (Even with the worst trigger I have ever felt) I carried the TacOps everyday for almost a year.
I’ll own more Sigs eventually but I really want to hear better things about their QC first.
That other owner was me. I was taken back by his response BUT appreciate the honesty!
Dammit! The more I read this the lighter my wallet will get. Both because of Gray Guns’ prices and bc that long without the HK will probably result in my buying another. 
Can you rephrase? Your post makes absolutely no sense.
He was being straight with you, I’ve talked at length with him about the P30 in particular, in fact he will go even further then that, he has told me that the two most revered men in HKville(whom he knows well)in truth aren’t very fond of them at all, but hey, they are “paid” to be, so they affect fondness!
Bowie believes that HK pistols are extremely overrated, and he has told me that the P30 specifically, is a POS. 
So what pistol does he think is worthy of his favor?
Glock!
which is ridiculous, of course
yeah, lol
Btw guys it’s Grayguns not Greyguns lol
I kept wanting to make a Grey’s Anatomy joke but figured my humor would have been lost in translation. :suicide:
Bruce has various modifications that can be done to them, give them a call and tell them what you’re interested in and they’ll help you out.
That’s right, it’s GRAYGUNS!
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