Work issues 511 Tactical stuff to me. While I generally like it, the sizing is so inconsistant, I have some trousers in medium that practically fall off of me and others that practically pinch me in two. The best thing about them is they are free.
Some of the best things in life, ATS, LaRue and Multicam!
how bout this link any idea who, and dose this look like multi cam to you ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4_afyQE4CY&feature=related
In the movie Trans Formers the Spec op unit is wearing multi cam . You can see multi cam in urban and dessert settings . Yeah it’s Hollywierd but something that shows the pattern moving in and out of direct light and shade in differant environments.
I gotta ask why?
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Holy s—!
I can’t believe someone paid that kind of money for camo trousers :rolleyes:
Gentlemen, the idea (and the translation of the word from the original French) is “To fool the eye.”
ACU does fairly well here in Baghdad, especially in town (much better than I would have thought). Troops not wearing too much black shit (slings, leg rigs, black backpacks, etc.) don’t stand out too badly. The ACU is a little more apparent than 3-color DCU, only for its greener shade. Soldiers with access to spray-paint for their weapons are better off than those without.
Everything old is new again. Multicam looks a LOT like US ERDL camouflage but with less green (the pattern used on GI jungle cammies from 1969 through 1983 before the BDU Woodland camouflage pattern was adopted). Multicam has more of the tans and khaki, but the smaller print pattern than the Woodland clown pattern.
Camouflage will not make you invisible. The priniciple is to break up shape, shine, silhouette, and shadow and to help you blend. If you can do that, your cammy is right. METT-T always dictates. Multicam is good for a far wider range than Woodland.
With individual camouflage gear lighter is always better than darker. It’s always easier to darken equipment than to try to lighten it up.
The US GI Vietnam-era lightweight cotton OG-107 jungle fatigues were also a great universal uniform – you could wear them anywhere and they did their job – jungle, desert, and urban, the more you washed them and the lighter they got the better they worked.
Ranger Green reminds me of a well-weathered GI field jacket, shelter half, or Deuce-and-a-half tarp – the more weathered it is the better it blends with most backgrounds.
I’ve been hearing that the Army will be switching to multicam…any truth to this? I think it is better than ACU IMHO
I dont think they are even considering a full change after they just went to ACU and spen all of our tax $$$ on the change.
They better come with a squad of college cheerleaders to put them on me and “adjust” me to make sure they fit every time I put them on.
One complaint I have about Multicam gear is not the pattern at all; It’s that you have to pay extra for it, and then they cover up 1/2 of it with tan webbing.
WTF? 
FWIW, I was convinced of the ACU’s effectiveness a few years ago when I looked right past a JAG Officer who was no more than 3-feet from me. I was having trouble entering the correct code for a locked gate (into a secure area on Base) when he walked up on me. He stated that he has problems remembering all the different codes, I turned around to see who was talking, I could not see him until I managed to focus on his face. The camo was very effective at breaking up his outline.
On the other hand, an Airsofter I know stated that he can easily see ACUs in woodland (with the help of a particular piece of equipment).
Multicam looks good but I just can’t see spending an extra $10 to $25 per piece for it as a civilian. I know it costs to develope camouflage but somehow I don’t think there should be that much of a difference in price. :eek: I think Crye is making a healthy profit off of that pattern.
I would like to get ahold of the Desert Brush pattern that actually came out the best in the Army trials that produced the Arpat. I’ve read the powerpoint presentation and done some research and it is interesting to me that the ACU resulted from the pattern that scored 4th overall and multicam resulted from the pattern that scored 3rd overall. I’d like to try the Desert Brush which scored the best overall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Camouflage_Pattern
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004issc/wednesday/dugas.ppt
I’ve also read that the ACU has had problems with seams coming apart and there is actually a fix being done on the uniforms to the tune of several million dollars. Not only has it gotten poor reception for the color but the uniform design is not durable. I don’t have the link for that but it can be found from the wikipedia links in the article.
The price difference between Multicam in BDU or ACU cut and other colors/patterns is now pretty much negligible.
I’m still trying to figure out why in this age of joint service and interoperability all of our services went with totally different camo patterns. I’ve often wondered how much easier (and cost efficient) it would be to have the ability to purchase or be issued uniforms and gear at any US base.
You would be surprised. The fact is, there are plenty of russian and american built NVG systems out there. With that said, you have to assume your enemy will have NVG capability.
During my 16 month extenda-tour in Iraq I spent ten months patrolling in ACUs before we were issued tan nomex suits. During that time we set in the occasional hunter-killer team. Like some people have said, ACU works great at night. Sure, ACU pattern sucks in the desert at short range, but when you start getting out there (several hundred meters) it does do a great job of blending in with the horizon.
…Because Marines don’t want Soldiers to match them 
If it were only those two I’d be okay with it. The Air Force is starting to field their new ABU and the Navy NWU debuts this year, followed by a new woodland and desert pattern. And of all these new patterns, none of them look like multi-cam.
Sigh Thank God for the PCU.
For the most part Multicam products are made with Crye material and that drives up the cost.
Yes and no, but mostly yes. There were some initial problems with the manner in which the VELCRO tape pads were sewn on, resulting in a different stitch pattern specification, but this was early on. The latest problem (which is what you’re referring to) deals more with crotch seams on a lot of the earlier lots that are blowing out and requiring a retroactive reinforcement.
I’ve never had much trouble with the ACU, but then again, I’ve worn NOMEX flight suits for most of the past two decades, so I was already accustomed to VELCRO durability issues and blown seams (the ultra-expensive Aviation BDU/ABDU was utterly abysmal in this regard). The ACU pattern itself is decent enough for most applications, but let’s face it: just about anything is a compromise. Multi-Cam strikes me as a better compromise for places other than just Iraq, but that’s really another issue.
What I find laughable is the Air Force’s recent adoption of their bastardized tiger stripe scheme in ACU tones … sure, it looks fine (tiger stripes always do, for some reason), but there aren’t very many airmen (comparatively speaking) serving in places where camouflage is absolutely essential, and the costs associated with the development and fielding of this spiffy new outfit must have been phenomenal. Now, when they start handing out 416s to all of their rear echelon pogues, I think I’m really going to come unglued. LOL
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