Multicam, what does it work with? I don’t see how it will work with the woods or desert backdrop ? Am i wrong?
Since I havent had any Military experience wearing acu in combat or using it in the field I can’t really say but I have spoken to several guys who were in Irag and they swear by it. One guy told me it really does break up your out line and it makes it harder for range finding equipment to lock on to you because the beam needs solid objects to reflect off of to give accurate readings.
are you talkin bout crye multi or the new mil acu multicam ?
Good question; not to many guys are wearing Crye Multicam in Iraq, besides maybe a pouch or a holster here and there.
Bullshit. Just stop and think about this for a second. If three reasons why this is false do not immediately come to mind, IM me. ddemis- I am not insulting you, but rather your source. I assume that you are only passing on what you have heard, so no foul.
Crye MultiCam is the fo shizzle. Here is what I posted in another thread about color selection:
At first it was OD, then standard US camouflage, then khaki (long ago, before we had it in us to rename “brown”) with occasional MarPat thrown in for good measure, then Coyote/FDE, then MultiCam, then complete despair that I had no two pieces of gear that I actually needed in the same color. So I sold a bunch of it to my firends (I think most of them are still my friends) to fund a consolidation.
Base items, such as Armor/helmets/belts/Packs- Coyote.
Additional items/pouches- MultiCam
That way I can always hit the gear with some paint until it absorbs the environment.One of the funniest stories that convinced me to go heavy MultiCam was this Brit Commando unit in some hell-hole in A-stan in the spring. One day, out of nowhere, they noticed little shoots barely poking through the sand/dirt. Next morning-the whole valley was green. They were, distinctly, not.
If your base color blends with the environment (Shirt/Trousers) and your gear is multicam, you will blend even better. Those Crye guys are pretty damn smart.
The ACU is actually the exact opposite. The only place I have seen ACU properly blend is either on gravel or cement. It’s a shame. They had the opportunity to go light-years past every other military force in the world, and they shafted our guys with Gravel-Flage.
heres a photo i grabbed of the net i don’t have any real life ones i could take pics of my collection of gear aginst dif backgrounds
but i never got any of the new mil stuff to compare with It. The crye was just perfect year round for the geographical area im in. I even did a cammo to match on a rifle
That is a very good post!
Tack
ACU actually works very well at night against night vision. How many of our current enemies are using NVG’s? :rolleyes:
Anyway, it’s not just the pattern that’s screwed up, it’s the whole design. Velcro everywhere. If you stack on a door shoulder-to-shoulder, you stick together and make a ripping sound when you start to move. If you try burning ropes off of it, they go up like a cannon fuse. I’d hate to see someone on fire in those.
Someone got some major strokage for that contract. Multicam is much better.
Looks like I found my next buy. To bad 5.11 doesn’t make clothes in this pattern:(
Sgtimj-
Disagree with your comment re UCP and night vision. I cant access the actual photos right now, but I shot several through an AN/PVS14 for an article on IR reflective insignia. The photos included Woodland BDUs, an ACU in UCP and a Multi-Cam top from Crye. The photos were taken across my backyard on a pretty dark night both with & without the IR illuminator on.
The Crye M/C pretty much faded right out. The Woodland & UCP glowed both w & w/out the IR illum on.
I’m not as hostile as some to the UCP but I really don’t like it. That said & as pointed out by many, including at least one E-9 (amazingly), a bigger problem than the pattern is all of the BLACK items carried / worn - weapons, slings, NVG mounts, etc. That said, when six gun trucks (M1114s) are parked in a circle next to you does it really matter?
(UCP = Universal Camouflage Pattern. ACU = Army Combat Uniform which is sewn from cloth with the UCP printed on it.)
Forget 5.11… BUY WOOLRICH !
Erick G, I would love to see your backyard camo photo’s and see how the different camo look in the dark.
seems your all forgetting the guys that got desert camo right, the Marines.
But if I had to pick one to blend in any environment I do like the mulitcam. Much better than the ACU
uniform the Army uses, not sure who thought that one up. Doesn’t quite blend anywhere.
the colours for UCP came out of the urban track trials pattern, with black removed. the overall grey colour of UCP actually does blend in well in an urban environment like iraq and some arid/rocky regions. but ‘universal’ it really isn’t.
+1 Much better!
I’m still trying to figure out why people are buying up all the Multicam they can get their hands on. Yes it works but:
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you can’t wear it in the military.
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contractors cant wear it(or are not supposed to).
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I don’t see LE having the money or the reason to go from black/ranger green to Multicam.
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Civilians usually don’t spend too much in Woodland/Desert/Arctic combat zones and have no reason to be “IR Proofed”.
The only practical reason I could think Civilian would wear it is to either look cool at the range or legitimate hunting.
I think Crye is a great company with great designs and great products.
Seriously, am I missing something here?
For gear related items, black gets very hot in the sun, khaki and green colors are fine, but I’d rather have camo, and my choices are normally woodland, Multicam or UCP. Multicam seems to work better than the other camo colors in most of the areas I live/have lived in. Plus I have actually gone hunting with multicam.
It’s just my favorite camo pattern for now.
I tend to agree, but then most of us civilians will never use a carbine to defend ourselves. At least that’s what Pat Rogers has been quoted as saying.
I have a set of Viet Nam Tiger Stripe camo because it came from my era. It’s ,ore of a “Hi stoical” thing. I also have a set of Woodland camo that I would use if I needed to hit the field and bug out. Both have been in storage for years, as I never like to look like a “Tacticool” guy drawing a lot of attention.
In the Fall, spring and winter months, I prefer to wear jeans and some type of Khaki colored shirt, much like an instructors shirt of the earlier Gunsite days (I don’t know what they wear now) and a pair of Top Sider shoes or light pair of hiking boots. In the summer, I wear a lot of shorts, Hawaiian type beach shirts, and Flip Flops.
I hide pretty well with this type of “Urban Camo”.
Apparently that memo didn’t get out.
Not to bust balls, but the bulk of Crye Precision’s business is military.
I can agree with the rest of your list though.