I know they have contracts. Can you answer as to if the contracts are for “Multicam” the color, or their uniform and Armor products.
I know guys who have been on a waiting list for a Crye vest for almost 2 years now…same reason I’m not putting my order in.
Yes, most are for multicam sets which include the uniform, armor, and other goodies to include a new helmet.
Really, who is getting them? - I thought wearing Multicam would go against the Geneva Convention. Wearing a Nationally accepted uniform is one of the aspects that protects your “rights” under the GC.
The US Army UCP Universial Camoflage Pattern aka ACU Army Conbat Uniform is a pathetic example of “camoflage” but stands out so well it should help as an anti-fratricide matter.
The USMC desert & woodland MarPat uniforms are much more effective, perhaps the USMC is less worried about shooting there own & takes seriously being spotted by the enemy. USMC also has universal “Coyote” gear which can be used with both desert & woodland patterns.
MultiCam is very effective & if some individual has been in line to get some, be assured others are presently putting it to good use & are ahead of you in line…
And, what does the Geneva convention have to do with anywhere our troops are deployed now? If your commentary isn’t based on factual circumstance, specific knowledge or education, please limit conjecture, ancedotes, urban myths and other muddy water nonsense on this forum.
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I am only trying to figure out the “Mulitcam” craze, NOT bash it. I hope Mulitcam isn’t becoming one of those sacred M4C topics that people get ripped a new ass for asking the wrong questions:p
Can you please supply us with a copy of the legal opinion from a competent source that determined this.
There seems to be one hell of a lot of mis-information on what is & is not permissible under the two Conventions. Sadly, this misinformation is very wide spread even within the military.
From what I remember about my last GC brief, the SJA related this clause “(b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (c) that of carrying arms openly;” to wearing the appropriate recognizable uniform.
The “distinctive sign” being the uniform. I realize it doesn’t amount to much when you are over there but we(US) still claim we follow the GC even when facing an “insurgency”.
We did a wonderful job of hijacking the thread from the OP…PM me anyone still has a problem.
Dude you need to get a clue. The Geneva Convention only covered standing, uniformed national armies and those that were signatories to the document. Guerrillas/insurgents/radical Muslims, weren’t signatories, probably can’t read and most importantly, don’t recognize it, ala torturing, beheading and killing of foreign and US captives. I wish the liberals would lay off the torturing of enemy combatants thing. The enemy doesn’t give a rats ass. When you are captured by extremist, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS. Did you know Al Queda gives a phamplet out to those fighting to quote the Geneva convention and to claim that they are soldiers to gain humane treatment despite what they do to us when we are captured? Funny they’re trying to use a document they are not entitled to. We are at war and should treat our enemies just as harshly as if we were captured and in there hands.
Multicam is being worn, as an issued uniform by US forces and others, IIRC some Italian Special Ops unit is wearing it. There are also Contractors wearing it. Its not being worn by WPPS contractors since the type of underwear they can wear is layed out in the contract, but there is a whole lot of contracting that is not WPPS, like say 99% of contracting is not WPPS, nor PSD type work.
Now how exactly is Multicam a US mil only pattern? How many armies of the world wear woodland?
MacGillie is Multicam in the olde Scots language;)
I wear it BECAUSE I CAN. No reason is needed. But I will have to disagree with comment #4. I spend lots of time in the woodland, the desert, and woodland that does get snow (some people call that place the mid-west).
I bet WPPS still are not allowed to carry glock 17 mags for their 19s…
Are there still Italians here? They left Tallil last year. Good soldiers, but their politicians back home had them by the balls. We had to explain to their post commander the concept of what a QRF was.
Nomex jump suits are more practical than multicam for PSD these days, until Crye comes out with a nomex or carbon x clothing line.
Why do you think Woolrich is better than 5.11?
I bought 2 pairs of the 5-11 shorts and I really like them. They hold mags well, have nice deep pockets. Front pocket is good for a pocket holster for S&W Airweight. The only flaw is that they can use more belt loops. But I can get those sewn on.
I just wish I could get ahold of the damn stuff…I called Crye and asked to buy or borrow anything they had for catalog photo shoots (for 5 or 6 different manufacturers), and I was told, “No. Call back in late December.”
Josey-
Better quality construction & material; consistent sizing; willingness to actually listen to end users.
US Soldiers have US Flag patches and other identifying markings. Multicam with appropriate patches/markings is clearly a uniformed person, contrasted with someone dressed as a civilian hiding in the civilian population (which is what the GC was after).
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Chad
The type of guys who dont want to be on every news photo…
well, we’ve all seen photos like this of U.S. forces in afghanistan - they’re not in uniform (except for the one on the far right), they have no visible U.S. flags or identifying markings, and they’re not dressed to hide in the local civilian population.
First, I think Crye makes an outstanding product. Their pattern is innovative and state of the art. I think the Army missed out on a tremendous opportunity by not picking it up. The pattern blends in well in almost any environment. I’m in the Army. While I can’t say with certainty that Crye has military contracts. I don’t work in their business office, I am almost certain that they do supply a certain type of military force with uniforms. Certainly your average line Army units are not fielding full uniforms of multicam pattern. I do believe Special Operations Forces are more than likely heavily using this. It is the best pattern, my opinion, and they usually have the latitude and funding to buy what they want. I do think you will see a lot of accessory kit, pouches and such in multicam pattern Army wide.
I always love that photo… the guy on the left… his look is priceless…
“WTF you lookin at”
I like Multicam as well… I wish the Army would have pulled there head out of there ass and snapped it up instead of that god awful pixalated pattern…