I don’t have a use for the weapon, nor is it in my budget, but I sure would like to have it anyway. I like how light and compact it is, and I’m sure the balance is phenomenal. What scares me a little is the pistol length gas system it uses. The .300 BLK is really at its best with a suppressor, but I would think that would complicate the cycling even more with such a short barrel. It even says in the description, “It may not reliably cycle the action under adverse conditions with subsonic ammunition unless a silencer is attached.”
My question is this: wouldn’t it make a lot more sense for this rifle to utilize a short-stroke gas piston system? It might add a tad more weight, but I think that’s one thing the gun can afford. That way, there wouldn’t be any of the issues you get when you combine a super-short barrel with DGI, and you’d be free to add a suppressor without worrying about reliability. What do you all think?
I could be off base here - but from what I understand of the cartridge it is designed to work in such small weapons - it shouldn’t have any reliability issues with supersonic ammo and no suppressor - and it should have no issues with subsonic ammo with the suppressor on it…
.300 BLK is designed to be used in SBR’s, you generally have a pistol length gas sytem in 10.3" barrels as well.
also the suppressor is only needed for sub sonic bullets, meaning less than 1,000FPS when leaving the muzzle. they also make supersonic .300Blk that work fine without a suppressor2
Well I think that’s rather obvious, actually. Clearly you’re one of those die-hard DI runners who look the other way when something like the HK416 fires smoothly after being submerged in water or covered in sand. I think we can all agree that in adverse conditions and during high round count shooting, piston rifles like the XCR, SCAR, 416, M6, etc. are going to perform better than a DGI rifle. I don’t care how fancy your Noveske is, try shooting it with water in the gas port.
Another reason I would think a piston system would be a good idea in this case is the suppressor factor, as previously stated. Piston designs aren’t affected by suppressors, like a lot of DI designs are.
really? sure a Piston is better if you plan on going scuba diving hunting for sharks with a 5.56.
it takes like 3 seconds for the water to drain out of the gas tube, and 1 if you charge the rifle.
the whole water in the gas tube thing really gets blown out of proportion.
also DI does fine when sandy if it has lube.
where a piston shines is suppressed SBR’s. that said .300Blk was designed around DI to be used in SBR’s
I do find it funny how you say the XCR would do great during high round counts, yet its a completely unproven system with no real hard use from profesonals that i am finding
What? I don’t think we can all agree on anything you just said. They are all still gas operated. A piston weapon still has a gas port it also still requires the proper amount of gas to function. In fact don’t the 416need and SCAR have adjustable gas regulators?
So the M4 doesn’t fire well in sand or with high round counts?
The hk416, Scar and colt piston gun are great weapons. That doesn’t make them better than an m4. You should research the DDm4 torture test and the BCM filthy 14.
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I’m not saying a DI M4-style platform isn’t effective. I’m just saying it won’t perform AS WELL as a piston design under adverse conditions, ESPECIALLY in such a short barrel configuration such as the Noveske. According to the forum, the .300 BLK was designed to be fired from a super-short suppressed barrel that utilizes direct impingement. The same cannot be said for 5.56!! Personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable shooting any 5.56 DGI rifle with a barrel length shorter than 14.5 inches. It’s treading on too much thin ice, IMHO.
Vapor Trail - go away. You are either under 18 or do not even own or shoot guns. I haven’t decided which yet. You are wasting people’s time here. I’ve typed out long replies to your various frivolous posts a few times now before realizing you were the OP, and have no intention of purchasing or learning how to use ANY of the products you obsess over.
And now, you have gone from asking questions about products you will never touch and have never touched, to actually giving advice about products you have never touched. Go. The F. Away.
Sorry Vapor, I just don’t get you. I’ve been seeing your posts lately and they remind me of things my 16-yo “learns” about warfare from his video games. All theory based, cool factor, holy shit this is “sick” kind of stuff.
I saw one of your posts that stated your desire to learn, research, engage discussion, etc. That’s cool and I’m game, but once you start throwing out what’s “obvious” to the rest of the forum… but it sounds like something you read online or saw on Future Weapons… then I suddenly get more annoyance than productivity out of your threads.
