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Noveske is known for making crappy unproven unreliable weapons.
With them being hidden up in Oregon and all, they probably don’t even know what a piston gun is???
They have a great Customer Service Dept., maybe give them a call and let them know your concerns.
Also, if you would be so kind, they have an e-mail address on their website that you can send them the Internut Links to all of your facts, so they can educate themselves.
But maybe it’s just me…
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There’s no need for a trumped-up torture test. Out here on Planet Earth my bud’s XCR functions less reliably than his Colt 6940.
Personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable shooting any 5.56 DGI rifle with a barrel length shorter than 14.5 inches. It’s treading on too much thin ice, IMHO.
His XCR is also less reliable than my 11.5-inch 6933.
really?
I use a 10.3" MK18 clone with an A5 stock and ran it in the desert while staying at my buddies for a few days and went 600 rounds with just a few drops of lube and never had a problem.
there was plenty of sand in it when I was done, the only time you may have issues in 5.56 with DI is in kitty kat builds, but I have seen plenty of those run too. there is a guy on TOS who was issued a very short barrel, around 8" or so in Iraq I think it was and he said he never had troubles.
I guess the known reliability of shortys such as the 6933 and MK18 just makes no sense.
9/10? Published trials to back up? Don’t think so.
Oh fun.
Could you please elaborate as to what sub 14.5" 5.56 DI AR’s you own and have used (manufacturer, factory assembled or home build, accessories/mods), as well as what failures you experienced, the conditions under which the failure occurred (round count, ammo manufacturer, environmental conditions, etc), and the measures required to correct the failure (parts replacement, remedial action, additional lube, etc)?
Thanks.
My depts SWAT team had a few Colt Commandos that had somewhere around 70k rounds through them when they were replaced. A properly built shorty like the Colt Commando or a Mk18 is a very reliable weapon.
You should talk to my old team leader who uses a Mk18 in combat regularly and even has a kill at 400 meters with it.
Seriously…would someone lock this kid’s radio to receive-only?
From what I know it’s extremely hard to get .300BLK to be reliable as a piston gun. Why anyone would want one is beyond me…it was designed on a 9" barrel as direct impingement.
Yeah, LWRC releasing their 300BLK in DI format is a pretty telling sign of this truth.
The 300 BLK is a pretty low pressure round for a rifle isn’t it? That’s probably not good for a piston gun.
Pardon me, but my experience with cans has been limited to a few, discreet encounters with the toys of others and of my uncle.
So, this thread has me picturing cans filled with unburned powder residue and carbon, erupting into flames after a few full-auto bursts. What then, are the preferred field expedient methods of extinguishing the flames? Maybe carry a bucket around for instant immersion? That does not seem very practical, even for training on the square range. BTW, how does one clean all of that accumulated crap from a sealed can? I would imagine that having a barrel so short that a large portion of the powder charge burns outside the barrel would be senseless, wasting the benefit of a rifle-sized cartridge in such a compact package, with or without the use of a can and is the reason for the lack of warranty by can manufacturers, thus, such a short barrel is not only a waste of rifle caliber potential but a detriment to accuracy and longevity of the noise attenuating barrel fixture of one’s choice. I am sure shooting such a short barreled SBR (sub 8") is entertaining but probably far from practical in the long term, all things considered. If one needs a barrel that short, wasting the capability of rifle caliber in the process, one might as well maximize a pistol caliber for all it is worth. HK MP5, anyone?
:stop: Theres a lot wrong with you’re post. Read up some more about .300 BLK, SBR’s and there real world uses and suppressors before posting again.
This thread is just getting retarded like most of Vapor’s threads.:rolleyes:
Especially when they fail to make a 556 piston gun run properly…
You speak from experience and will show us which of these weapons you own, right? Goddamn, people like you are ruining this forum.
Precisely.
Conduct one. With video and pictures. Prove us all wrong.
So where do they find this rare Unicorn piston gun gas which somehow magically doesn’t make the gun run harder when suppressed? 
Unless the piston gun has a suppressed setting for its gas system it’s surely running harder when using a suppressor. I’ve seen a few Govt owned HK416s that where run very hard with Surefire suppressors. These had cracked upper receivers and no suppressed settings to get the cyclic rate back down to normal. The clearly superior German HK had no means to control the by product of converting the Stoner design to piston which is called carrier tilt. Adding the suppressor magnified this problem to the point that the carriers won the fight and cracked the upper receivers.
Interesting tidbit. You typically only hear about carrier tilt affecting the buffer tube, yet I wondered about the front end and what damage it might cause. You don’t have any pics you could PM do you for instructional purposes?