ACR Available 3/1/10

General Firearms Other Semi-Automatic Rifles
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Fuck Bushmaster and Magpul (for letting Bushmaster do what they have done to this).

I’ve had money down for over two years. Everything about this project has been a complete clusterfuck. Pretty much everything Magpul people have said has wound up being completely untrue.

They promised (back in 2008) that the Bushmaster partnership would help keep the ACR price down (because of Bushmaster’s production capacity). Well, at $2600 or $3000, that claim is complete bullshit.

They promised Bushmaster would accelerate the development. Well, it is going on 3 years now and nobody said a word about the ACR at SHOT last year. So that was untrue.

They promised Bushmaster wouldn’t cheapen the ACR out and that they would commit to the levels of quality we expect from LMT, Colt, Noveske and such for this project. Bullshit - look at the extruded rail handguard (compared to the skeletonized, modular Remington part). To say nothing of this 1:9 twist bullshit.

I am sad and disappointed. This is a shiny new toy I was happy to spend $2k or so on that I have been waiting years for. What has wound up happening is just such a complete letdown.

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They will be 10k on gunbroker! Just like the SCAR was. Now it’s been how many years and they are now only down to $2500?! I’d say no one buying them at first might make price drop, but there’s some dentist, computer programmer or doctor out there that’ll pay the gunbroker prices and keep the prices jacked up. $3000+, I’d buy two more LWRCs. That or one and pimp it the way I like. Anyone from BM on here, go to work and let’e$m know what we think!

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Stole this from over at TOS, Bushmaster forum. It really is 1x9. I have to say that I’m flabbergasted. I thought it was a bad rumor. Did they have a bunch of 1x9 barrels sitting around and wanted to keep the price down below $3k :confused:

Please, please someone cause a ruckus at the Bushmaster booth and put it on YouTube. I want to see those dumbasses try to explain that one.

You are stuck with their barrels correct too because of the mounting and gas system, or could you rip them off of Bushmaster barrel and put them in a real barrel, like a Noveske N4 Light barrel?

Fail, Epic Fail

Not to be a jackass, but shame on the Magpul guys. WTF were they thinking. The recent comments about ACR development being all in the hands of Bushmaster takes on new meaning.

Under-engineered, over-priced, over-hyped and late to the game. Brilliant.

Makes my decision to go with an AR10 build sooooo easy.

Just walk into the Bushmaster booth, pick up a spare barrel and start clubbing people as you scream “What’s the twist rate, Kenneth!?!?!”.

*** How much you want to bet that the barrel’s aren’t chrome lined. It says “Innovative coating” in the lit. Wonder what kind of kluge that will be. ***

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This same level of disgust is being felt all over the interweb. The folks at calguns.net have pretty much hit the roof. :mad:

They really are flipping nuts if they think this will sell for more than the price of a SCAR

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C’mon guys, a cool barrel coating and a P-mag, 3-grand’s a steal.:rolleyes:

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So they want that money for the 5.56 kit only? :rolleyes:

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You would be correct sir :frowning:

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I have this fantasy scene in my head of Travis at the Bushmaster HQ reading them a riot act that Tarantino would be envious of.

Magpul has to feel like a single Dad who has raised his daughter, against all odds, to be just and virtuous, and then she goes out and marries a total loser. Here’s hoping that magpul got a fat check up front, I’m not sure that the royalty checks will be that hefty. Who am I kidding, Bushmaster fan boys will flock to this.

The ACR is the XCR’s bitch.

This is like a buddy promising you that his girlfriend’s friend is good-to-go and hot, and Rossane Barr shows up. I was waiting for this??? What in God’s name were the worse ideas that they threw out?

Cerebus- Proving we can fuck up more then just cars!!! So glad our corporate elites are around to make things better. Is my next jeep going to have three-wheel drive?

Don’t know why I’m so worked up. I guess I’m just inscenced that someone is given a project like the Masada and they smother the bunny rabbit.

Can we put Bushmaster in charge of the Iranian nuclear program?

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This whole situation brings this to mind…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOZDG9UgzkQ&feature=related

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How could they make it heavier than a .308 SCAR-H. :smiley:

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I am going to patent 1x7 barrels for for ACR, since it seems to be a non-obvious feature to the Bushmaster engineers who should be “skilled in the art”.

Can’t wait to see if they try to say the new barrel coating makes a 1x9 act like a 1x7.

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This is the quote of the night

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Let me guess, 4140 steel too, not 4150. It would be even odder if it were 4150.

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Since Magpul dropped the ball with this whole Masada/ ACR handover, I have lost most of my enthusiasim over this project. With a high price they have lost my hope as well. It looks like we will have BM’s version of the SCAR: overpriced and not that convertable for the next however many years.

I have to give it up to Robinson Arms for being the only manufacturer to actually have what others have promised: different configurations and different calibres (3), AVAILABLE NOW.

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MAGPUL: What say you?

Nearly $3000 and it doesn’t even have a decent barrel. And it’s HEAVY, too.

WTF?

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Of course it is a business decision.

I design products, so I understand that there is a lot of complex decision making that goes on. The trouble I am having with the ACR right now is really this giant disconnect I see between two facts:

  • 1/9 Twist
  • $2600-$3000 MSRP

1/9 Twist barrels make good sense for Bushmaster in serving their customer base. Most Bushmaster owners wouldn’t know what a Mk262 round was if you hucked one at them. They own ARs because they look cool and are a lotta fun to finger fuck while watching 24, show off on your Facebook page and go plinking in the woods with. These folks walk into Wally World and wanna buy ammo for their toys and they couldn’t give a rats ass about grain, providence, terminal ballistics, case sealing or any of that. God bless them, they just want ammo that goes boom so they can go out and live the American dream of shooting cool guns.

The chances of these folks picking up lightweight (45gr) loads is FAR higher than they stumbling upon 77gr Black Hills. Bushmaster very smartly skews their barrel twist rates to be more favorable for the vast majority of ammo the vast majority of their customers are gonna feed their Bushmasters.

Here is the kicker - the ACR is clearly not aimed at the above outlined demographic. The folks who have been salivating over this thing for the last 3 years are us - the kind of gun geeks who do damn well know what Mk262 is. We fetishistically pour over the minute technical details of every rifle we can. We even have charts that lay out the minute technical differences, in minute detail!

An MSRP of $3k really means little to us. The street price will knock 20% off that list. The prices will likely come down over time. Even if they don’t, if the ACR is/was what we expected, most of us would probably stretch the budget a little bit and buy one.

But than they throw this 1/9 twist bullshit at us. Gun geeks know that the #1 way to spot a plinking AR and one meant for serious use is 1/9 v. 1/7 twist.

If it was a high price, but a weapon with proper specs - I would bite the bullet and be happy to pay a premium. If it had a 1/9 twist but hit that $1500 price point, I would be happy to buy one, shoot the hell out of it and patiently wait to slap on a 1/7 when they came out.

As it stands, Bushmaster has made the worst of all decisions and alienated pretty much every prospective buyer I can think of.

I am mad at Magpul because, when the Bushmaster deal was announced, they did everything they could to assure the community that shit like this wouldn’t happen. When it was announced, the first thing I thought of was the Bushmaster’s fetish for 1/9 twist barrels (a lot of folks did at the time). And now, here we are, and look at the train wreck.

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This is a GREAT comment!!!

Look, I was really eager to spend some money on this weapon. I was thinking that the polymer manufacture would actually keep the price down somewhat, but, unfortunately, that simply isn’t the case.

I’m sorry, but if you’re going to pay $3000 for a rifle, it better have a damn good barrel. It’s almost as if Bushmaster had a ton of old 1/9 barrels sitting around and decided that, “Hey, we’ll just use them on the ACR.” Heck, for that king of money, not only should the 5.56 barrel assembly have a 1/7 twist, but the weapon should also come with a 6.8 barrel assembly, 3 P-Mags for each caliber, and two different choices of stocks.

For $3000, I can buy a complete KAC SR-15 ambidextrous lower receiver assembly, build two really nice upper receiver assemblies to go with it, and then probably still have money leftover for extra magazines.

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Wow, I’ve honestly never seen such hate and discontent for a new product (especially the ACR) on M4Carbine, TOS, and LightFighter! The angriness is equal across the board about this issue. I don’t visit any other forums accept M4 and LF (occasionally TOS), but I imagine that the attitudes of members from all the other 100’s of forums out there are all the same: THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!

Now that’s saying something! If Bushy doesn’t get the hint from this, I don’t know what will drive the point home to them.

Semper Fi,

-Paul

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You are certainly right about the consensus among those who know. The problem is that Bushmaster will probably make money with it. Just like they make money with their sub standard AR’s. They don’t care what the hard core “community” thinks because they will judge success by the accounting ledger. It really is a shame because there was so much potential for this project.