If you truly want something that compact, the Mini4 is an excellent choice. I guarantee it…
I totally need one for 3gun!
.62 +.02, If you want to get technical…
Don’t you have a beard to cultivate? 
And yes, that’s true, but the can doesn’t overlap the back tenth of an inch or so on the blackout hider, so that should come out in the wash.
Jason,
Would your breakout be ok to use on a 10.5" to take the brunt of the blast instead of the blast baffle, or is the brake the only one that will do the job sufficiently?
Thanks again for your help.
If you are looking for a little extra protection for the can, the BRAKEOUT would be fine. it’s that first surface that absorbs most of the blast and erosion.
The full Brake will have 2 ‘sacrificial surfaces’ that the gas/powder will hit before it hits the can’s guts. So it may protect it a little better.
That said, if you accept that a can is a wear item, a Flash hider is fine too. And it’ll be quieter/less blast when shooting unsuppressed. It’s not like the can will melt or crumble. it’ll last many many many thousands of rounds no matter what the muzzle device.
(That comment is just in general, not specifically to you, just to remind people that it’s OK to run flash hiders still)
I like the BRAKEOUT for how steady it keeps the muzzle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHyvGaATx5s
Thanks Jason,
This is exactly what I was thinking, plus you get some flash suppression
Oh and I would MUCH rather a $100 breakout be the wear item than the $1000 can
I totally understand. it’s a great option.
So are we safe to start putting deposits down on these things with your major dealers?
If so I might call up Jeremy @ Bullseye
The Double Chamber Brake is punishing to those around. I have one on a 11.5. Which I plan to run suppressed all times. And the Brakeout is a little better. The muzzle flash is still very significant, doesn’t do much for muzzle flash suppression IMHO, but its not as loud as the double chamber Brake. The brakes work quite well on both of them. Its just wait wait wait for my stamps now.
So I am ready to pull the trigger myself (again), the big decision is go with a Mini 4 or an M4-2000, obviously I want both however right now it is one or the other. I already own a 762SD so the Brakeouts are on most of my long guns (.308 and 5.56) Open to opinions,
comments, suggestions, etc., etc.,
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In your situation, I’d go MINI4, for when you want really small and light (with the tradeoff of being louder), and until you get an M4-2000 just run the 762-SD when you want hearing safe…
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Sounds like a plan.
Thanks, Jason.
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140 dB is generally considered the hearing safe threshold.
http://www.silencertests.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=56267
That being said, I’ve had ears ringing after firing with M4-2k’s (Sorry Jason).
Honestly a bad suppressor is better than no suppressor, and sometimes people wear ear-pro/electronic ear protection anyway.
Sometimes size and weight is preferable. (ETA: and also muzzle blast reduction, like others have cited)
But for me, for my $, I want it comfortably hearing safe. (meaning honestly around 125-128 minimum)
I think it’s still a largely like most medical stuff, a developing science. (What’s considered hearing safe and what isn’t… honestly I think the threshold will come lower over time)
That being said, AAC has some of the best rifle cans on the market.
That’s just silencers in general.
I wear hearing protection when shooting my can… though it’s much comfortable since I could just use foam rather than both my foam and my MSA Sordins.
After two pumps to the sandbox and lots of irresponsible shooting time with inappropraite PPE, I now double bag with SFs and Peltors (Tac6 or ComTac2s) I am looking for the shooting in a house/from a vehicle reduction of flash, sound and shock wave/recoil blast as well as the fun of having a suppressor.
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No problem at all BWT. And, I agree- I like to wear a single set of light plugs when I’m shooting 556 for any stretch of time.
The bullet flight noise from a 5.56 bullet at standard velocities is up around 150-160 dB, so that crack combined with the action noise will be perceived as loud.
That said, a suppressed 5.56 gun at 135 dB is still WAY WAY different than shooting an unsuppressed one. It’s not only the lower sound level, it’s the reduced blast, eliminated flash, less recoil, etc.
unfortunately, you will never get a 125 dB with a rifle shooting supersonic ammo.
If you want to get to that level, you need to run subsonic, and if you want to do that, 5.56 is a terrible load, look into a bigger caliber like http://www.300aacblackout.com/
My experience with suppressors is limited to a huge Coastal can I had on a full-auto Uzi I used to own, which I never used hearing protection for, so please excuse my ignorance. My question is, why would someone pay upwards of $1000 for a suppressor, plus a $200 tax stamp with the associated several month wait, and still have to wear hearing protection? If I need to wear hearing protection, I really don’t care how loud (or quiet) the gun is. I must be missing something.
I get similar questions at work daily about why have a suppressor on an AR if you’re shooting supersonic ammo. These people think silencers or illegal “do I need to get my class 3” for that? :rolleyes:
The Mini4 will retail for $895. If I wanted the quietest can I’d just use my M4-2000 Mod 07 but it’s 17oz. Not bad on a 10.5" gun but on a 16" it’s damn muzzle heavy I’d much rather shoot a shorter smaller 13oz can on a 16" barrel on my 3gun rifle.
OSHA guidelines are pretty specific when it comes to hearing safety. I am ad-libbing from memory here…
Hearing protection and annual audiograms (hearing testing) should be instituted whenever one is exposed to noise 85dB or greater.
One may be exposed to the following:
90dB for no longer than 4 hrs
100dB for no longer than 2 hrs
105 dB for no longer than 1 hr
110 dB for no longer than 30 minutes
115 dB for no longer than 1 second
There is no safe time of exposure to any noise greater than 140dB.