Wounded Soldier Billed For Gear....

How is this even possible? I know the sarcastic “it’s the government” answer can be inserted here, but seriously - how? Is there one single person whose ass should be on the line for this? Why is this not a combat loss and why is this young man - who served his country, sacrificed for his country being put through the mill like this? Makes my stomach knot…

PORTLAND, Ore. – Gary Pfleider II served his country for six years before he became a member of the new generation of disabled veterans.

Pfleider, a former Oregon National Guard soldier, was shot by a sniper while on patrol in Iraq in September 2007. He has only vague memories of the event, but now must live with a permanent reminder – a brace he’ll have to wear on his leg for the rest of his life.

“I remember grabbing a hold of my leg, and realizing I had blood on my hands,” he said. “And from that point on until I got loaded onto the Stryker was just a big blur.”

Three days after he was shot, Pfleider received a Purple Heart.

Almost two years later, he received a bill from the military for missing equipment.

The sum of the bill, which includes interest, is $3,175. It itemizes a list of gear the military issued to Pfleider that did not come back with his unit in 2008. The lists includes clothing items, canteens and grenades.

More: http://www.komonews.com/news/local/95168184.html

I wonder how much the “grenades” part of the itemized bill is, and is there an incentive to not throw them on account of expense :). But it is interesting that the Natl Guard is perhaps worried more about the cost incurred from the missing grenades and not about their location :).

but oh bloody hell…next they’ll charge him for missed time off the job while being wounded :rolleyes:

this has to be a mistake…or is the freakin’ govt that broke :eek:

anyway if this isn’t a mistake, it is scandalous

He should contact his elected representative. This is horrible press for the Army, and any politician worth his political salt would pressure them to make it go away.

I have seen this before. Fort Bragg CIF 2004 when It was over in the old WWII barracks. My friend SGT Scott was sitting on a truck in J BAD afghanistan. When a Russian zero fuse granade landed right infont of him. IBA saved his life but it was shreeded. he wore it for the next 5 months after he came back from Germany.

Well our CO was a POS to say the least and was in line right behind SGT Scott. When the guy said we are not taking that you have to pay for it he didnt say a thing. Good thing one of the Majors new some one cause the CIVILANS that work there where not impressed with any of the other NCO’s comments and where not budging on the fact that SGT Scott had to pay. The Maj made a call to some 2 stares aide and it was cleared up in about 20 min.

Jon

I will be sending a letter to his US Representative and Senator as well.

I’ll be happy to write a check to help make up the three grand. I bet the members of this board could cover that in a week, through donations.

I just sent an email to his congressman as well as mine.
I find this disgusting and petty. I’ve had a number of friends injured and killed and never had one receive a bill for the lost gear. :mad:

I agree contacting a Senator from his state will probably fix this BS.

First, I will admit that I know almost nothing about the National Guard, or the way it conducts business. I will also say that the article is very vague (in fact, one-sided) about the investigation that led up to this Soldier being charged for the equipment.

If this article is true on its face value, then there has been a command failure of Biblical proportions. For example, let’s say Snuffy got shot and was immediately medivac’d out of country. It becomes the unit’s responsibility to inventory his belongings and account for equipment that is there and ascertain what is missing. Missing equipment is accounted for on a document/process called “Financial Liability Investigation of Property Loss” or FLIPL for short. Obviously, equipment that is damaged in combat is written off on a short FLIPL by the BN or BDE commander based on recommendations given by the subordinate chain of command. Equipment lost during medical treatment should also be covered in this short FLIPL, although it is my understanding the medical folks are pretty good at collecting personal effects/equipment and accounting for them.

That leaves us with the equipment that was neither damaged in the event, nor lost by medical personnel, like stuff that Snuffy was signed for that should have been in his locker back in his hooch. Canteens were mentioned. Depending on SOP, Snuffy was probably wearing a Camelback and his canteens might have been left back in his hooch. Let’s say his ruck, three uniforms, and sleep system was missing. Well, where is it?

The point is that the investigation should have determined these facts. Maybe Snuffy kept poor accountability of his stuff prior to getting shot. Maybe a couple of Blue Falcons went in and ganked his stuff. Who knows?

I do know that it is inherently hard to charge Soldiers for missing equipment. I have seen AWOL Soldiers take off and not pay a dime for thousands of dollars of missing equipment. The system just works better for them than Uncle Sugar most times. The fact that the Army has successfully charged this Soldier actually says a lot about their case.

HOWEVER, I do have concerns about the accuracy of the article, particularly when it says the “bill” included interest. I have never seen the Army collect interest on anything. For example, Army regulations require that the value of equipment be depreciated when totaling any type financial liability for a Soldier. It seems counterintuitive to throw interest in the mix. In another example, Soldiers can get up to one full month of advance pay, and pay it back interest free over a reasonable time period of their choosing. Not the same thing, I know, but it establishes a type of precedent. I would be very interested to hear of anyone being charged interest by the Army for anything.

May God Bless this Soldier for his service and sacrifice, and while this may not be popular with many here, I’m not sure getting shot should exonerate this Soldier of poorly managing his equipment prior to the incident.

There’s always eight sides to every story, and first reports are always wrong. There’s simply too many unknowns about this situation to really be able to form hard opinions.

I do wish this Soldier a speedy recovery and well in his future endeavors.