Why a Retro?

LOL yeah - I went there. And parked. :cool:

karlb - That reminds me of what Kelsey Grammer said in ā€˜Down Periscope’ - ā€œShe may not be the youngest girl atthe ball, but she’ll still turn a head or two.ā€

Retro like A1 style? Some would call the A2 rifle retro I suppose. I just put together a 20" A2 on an FNMI barrel and Colt A2 upper.

I was able to shoot a 2" 100 yard 5 shot group with the thing…

A retro car can’t perform like a modern vehicle. But on the AR, not many of the modern ammenities actually add anything to the weapons performance.

Actually, yeah - A2’s are being considered Retro nowadays :eek:

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Hi guys (first message :D)

why retro? because it looks so special forces… :confused::confused:

Today we need to attach to our rifles flashlights, dots, grips, infrared lasers… Troy just released a GPS stock for AR15… and a railed coffee machine is on its way :jester:

Soldiers needs tons of equipments… But give a SF operator a knife and he won’t need anything else.
So that it is, for me… retro rifles look SF.

Nowdays I can barely imagine someone in the jungle without a camelback… so maximum respect!!

The older designs/rifles have more contributed to the creation of more worm food than any JJ raygun M4 ever will. The first AR I ever shot at a target with purpose was an A1. People who add parts without need tend to loose sight of the purpose. Kind of like the mechanics I met who had over 40K worth of tools and tool boxes but couldn’t time a motor with a wrench and their ears. Back before we felt the need to ā€œimproveā€ the AR-15 platform, there was no talk of different buffers, or carriers, or concern about the length of the gas tube. People shot them more than they modified them and they shot VERY well and looked a whole lot better than these god awful dissipator rifles I see on here (talking about fixing something that ain’t broken).

Most people who look down or don’t understand vintage ARs probably have shot at nothing more than paper whole lives and would blow a fuse if asked to depend solely on their iron sights. Screw them, I love these rifles just as much as I love the JJ ray gun ninja rifles everyone thinks they need.

adding parts without purpose = stupid
forgoing parts in spite of added effectiveness = stupid

There is a happy medium. Many have not found it, and never will find it, because they lack the ability to simply be honest with themselves and remove themselves from the equation when attempting to make an evaluation.

True. I have what could be considered a retro A2 that will remain that way, I had many people at the range ask me what my plans for it were and I would usually reply ā€œshooting itā€. I did just finish my DMR, it has an ACOG. I was trained with an A2 and I was upgraded to an ACOG equipped A4 when I got in country, so I stick with what I know. I also have a Galil to remind me of the IDF chick I dated when I was over in Israel. One thing I will not do is add parts that add no usefulness to me. I would rather go without a small degree of capability to avoid a large degree of encumbrance.

Unless the parts added without purpose make the gun unreliable it is far more stupid to forgo the parts (or modern training to learn how to use them) that add effectiveness.

Now if you just want to make something that is aesthetically pleasing or historically correct I get that. I don’t get why your taste should be a factor in what goes on a modern combat weapon. I like the history so I hope this doesn’t become the bash anything new subforum.

Also the A2 is retro, get over it. You can’t just draw a line in the sand and say everything from this point forward shall forever be called ā€œnewā€ and only something proceeding it can be ā€œoldā€. Time doesn’t stop when you draw that line, the A2 is going on three decades old. :slight_smile:

Who’s in charge of the line? :stuck_out_tongue:

To me… if you put together a fighting gun that’s under 4MOA, semi auto, reliable, made of good parts, and light and sling capable… it’s status on the internuts is irrelevant… And the Smelly bad guy you shoot in the face isn’t going to be any less dead if your gun is an A2.

Well if you happen to use an A2 configuration (or A1) rifle for real use then carry on. If you are collecting or making a clone I’d say it fits the retro forums. I’d rather not see a thread in the tech forum about what part X is correct for a Black Hawk Down era A2…

I completely agree. :wink:

This isn’t ā€œRetro vs Modernā€ thread- no derisive comments about either style. It’s about understanding the attraction of the retro.

Why do you like your retro? How do you find a retro satisfying- whether it’s a practical reason or not. There must be something about them, or we wouldn’t go out of our way to create a ā€œRetroā€ category

For me it is just fun.

Why not?

Anyway I really want to built an a2 20 inch gun and some point and a 11.5 inch off a c7 upper. Just haven’t gotten around to them yet. Have my 10.5 inch sbr with its suppressor, rail, red dot, etc on it. Love the thing but their is something to be said for a simple setup with iron sights.

My 20inch flat top was my basic gun with its carry handle. At this point I’ve started to change it though(kac rail, front grip, at some point I’ll add an acog).

I like retro’s because of the history behind them!

i built my A1 slickside , because i wanted some thing like i carried in basic,
i shot it very well.

mine is just a mixed bag of parts, no-dak partial fence lower, and a fulton armory slickside upper, green mountian 1/12 pencil barrel.
model one sales triangular handhuards.
and a old A1 stock.

its a great shooter, very accurate, and EVERYONE , who see’s it, whats to try it out.
they love it. i did send the trigger off to bill springfield., and a tubbs flat recoil spring.
its really smooth.and LIGHTWEIGHT

peabody

This comment makes your lack of knowledge apparent.

There’s some ā€œretroā€ things I really miss. Like when you could go into your local Woolworths and buy an AR-15. Or even the sporting goods store in the mall (which also sold HK-91’s). :slight_smile:

I have two carbines and love them. One is a KISS Colt 727 and the other one has all the ā€œneededā€ do-dads I will likely never use or need.

If you want to ask me why I like retros, well, I learned on a 20" A2 (M16A2, specifically), and still remember hitting steel targets at long distances with extreme precision and ease.

I also prefer iron sights, maybe i’m just old school.