It wouldn’t matter. Cut this by 40% (the weight of titanium vs. steel) and it still weighs 4 oz. The real problem is the loaded magazine that weighs over 17 oz.
I wished there were somewhere around my area that did Sims training and I am not aware of any 3 gun shoots in my area either. Same goes for training, for most of the good classes you have to drive 1 or 2 states over. Most clubs in this area are not into the 3 gun, and as far as I know the closest 3 gun shoots are a 5 hour drive to the coast. I know what you are saying about performance under stress and the best I can do around my area is have my girlfriend shoot bottle rockets at me while I run drills against the timer.:mad:
Just Kidding
I have seriously thought about building a target that incorporates a remote controlled paint ball gun that someone else can control from behind the firing line to add stress and make the shooter move to seek cover. I know it is a somewhat silly idea, but it would be better than nothing I guess.
This was my thought, also, on why I would like a Redi-Mag. But I’ve been running it over and over in my mind for the last couple of years. If I “need” another magazine for home defense, then something is terribly wrong and I doubt the second mag is going to alleviate the situation. If 30 rounds didn’t resolve the situation, I sincerely doubt another 30 is going to get it done.
I see many mil/LE/PSD types running Redi-Mags and I can see where that may be a nice idea for them. I’m no longer mil, however, so I don’t really have their requirements applying to me.
And, at this time, I don’t compete in 3-gun or other carbine/rifle matches.
And all that continues to make me debate whether a Redi-Mag is something I want to try. I do want the BAD, whether I have the RM or not. I like the idea of being able to release or engage the bolt catch with my trigger finger.
FWIW…
I put the RM (and consequently the BAD) on my “grab and go” hurricane evac. gun. My logic was that I’d prefer to have a spare magazine, and grabbing just the gun with the mag attached would be the best way to do it.
If I have time, which I have had every time I’ve been evac’d, I will stick said rifle in the blue Eagle discrete bag that I have, in which case there are 3 more magazines in there (although I typically hate having mags in the bag).
There’s something to be said for a rifle that’s intended for the worst possible circumstances to have spare ammunition attached, regardless of role (LE, mil, non-LE civvy, etc.).
But I tend to agree that if I need more than 28/30 rounds, I’m in deep doo-doo, and 28/30 more rounds isn’t going to do much to bail me out. Similarly a malfunction a the distances I’m likely to encounter problems. Transition or die. :eek:
I’ve owned a RM for about 10 yrs.
Due to bulk, weight, snag factor, etc. I do not like the RM on my work guns.
The last time I had the RM on a rifle was during the 2006 USPSA Multigun Nationals.
YMMV
Sweet! Thanks for posting that pic! Love to have a few of those. If Magpull won’t make it, I bet I know someone that will…
Travis (Magpul Dynamics) has the patent on that…so anyone else who makes it would be putting themselves in the kill zone…
makes it for sale, yes. But I wonder how that works if someone simply makes a thing for themselves? For instance, if you happened to have a machine shop, or new someone that did, and simply spent a weekend or two making one up.
Obviously not looking to screw over Travis or Magpul, you just brought up a point that I hadn’t considered. I’d take the picture out of my photobucket, or blur that section slightly, if I thought someone would be able to steal Travis’s design.
Any patent lawyers in the house?
Well, lets hope Travis gets it done. He should get the credit for the piece.
Correct, anyone can make whatever they want for personal use, as soon as you attempt to distribute/sell it to others, the patent is violated.
And further from there, patents are just a rubber stamp. A gateway that opens the doors to legislative battle or private resoluation (aka $$$$$) its no gurantee. Though what is now adays…
And if it catches on, and it will, it will not be far along from the those fucking communist air-soft companies to copy it, just like they do larue products etc…
Which is all the more reason for Magpul to get it to market asap. I believe most real shooters would much rather pay for a Magpul item than some cheap turd knock off!
In a SHTF aliens attacking earth scenario the Redi-mag or equivilant gives me the time and firepower necessary to get to my vest with 3 more mags, 1911 + 4 mags, and lights. I don’t see the justification of the Redi-mag over alternative solutions since I am a civilian defending house and home. From there it’s down to the ammo stockpile and hold down the homefront. If I were shooting competition then I would want a solution tailored for that scenario to justify the extra expense.
Big BFG/VT RediMod fan.
Several years ago I was resisting the RediMag when buddies put them on their guns – I noticed in a lot of stuff it was working well - better than my reloads - but some other things they had issues.
About 2004 I got a GenII RediMag - and was off to the races. When the BFG/VT one came out – I like the features on that a lot better than the GenII - as you dont need the BCE – the BCE was the one issue I was concerned about - as the added pressure on the bolt catch I felt was a concern – as I have broken three bolt catches over the last 20 years of running a M16FOW (all at work though).
Prior to my 2004 awakening - we had trialed 7 different types of Mag clips with the Army - and they uniformily sucked.
The other bonus to the Redi-Mag systems is for deployed pers who are not fortunate to be allowed to carry their weapons in Amber or red on base - but need to have one mag with them by policy - is that you can have a mag on the gun and not on one of those craptastic butstock pouches at interfer with running the gun.
Kevin, do you just reach around the RM to drop the bolt with your thumb or something?
I haven’t tried the RM yet without the BAD, but I have a spare BFG version sitting on the desk next to me and was thinking I’d need to order the extended bolt release button for it. Looks like you’re running without it and sounds like you don’t like the part.
And this is the primary reason I continue to look at the RM as a viable option for me. I like the idea of being able to have the mag on the weapon, without having it locked, when being stored at home.
In Nam duck tape was used to attach two AR Mags together. All over the world you see AK Mags stuck together.
Funny I have only now seen this hunk of metal sticking off the side of a rifle to hold one Mag.:rolleyes:
Now don’t try saying it was just invented and never though of before.
If you want your extra Mag. handy get a Mag. coupler or use duck tape.
As mentioned before the mag clip systems all have commin failures – they fill with poo dust as the top is not covered. They move when rough handled. If not offset when on one sdie they will not allow the ejection port cover to open - thus guarateeing stoppages.
I have used them - and done away with them since they dont work.
RobS – yes I use my thumb to press on the Bolt catch when reloading - it just comes up after my push pull and drop the bolt.
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a disclaimer: i don’t use a redimag, i don’t believe i’ve mastered the AR platform in it’s more basic form yet. and so i don’t believe throwing the redimag into the mix is going to be beneficial to me at this point.
Back in my infantry days, late 90’s, I tried a Redi mag, and really didn’t like it, due to the different manual of arms, getting to the bolt catch, etc.
With the new versions, especially the Blue Force gear, I may give it another try, though.
A few years prior to that, I tried mag couplers. I used the steel “Israeli” style ones. I used them in a field problem or two, and maybe a LFX, this was awhile ago. They got dropped also. For all the reason Dereck and Kevin pointed out.
Perhaps one in the gun, is livable, but multiple ones are a no-go. As mentioned what pouches are GTG? I used the early saw pouches and standard GI magpouches, you could maybe squeeze one set in one pouch. All were less then satisfactory.
The first reload at the gun maybe faster, but all subsequent reoads are slower, the doubled up mags are heavier, harder to manipulate.
Then what do you do with the empty? This was in the days before dump pouches, and empties were clipped to the LBE, put down your shirt, in your butt pack, or cargo pocket(least preferable). All of these are harder to accomplish with doubled mags.
I don’t recall any malfunctions due to them, ie rounds moving forward or debri in them, etc but I really didn’t work them to hard, after I realized it wasn’t a good system.
At least with a redi-mag, after teh first reload, your back to normal.
BTW:
Back in the late 80’s myself and my fellow paratroopers thought alot of the Isaraeli military, then in '89(?) we jumped into Egypt, and Jordan in support of operation BrightStar, we got a look at what the Israelis had been fighting, and we we’rent impressed, later, during the first Gulf War, we had these feelings re-inforced.
Making decisions on gear, based on other organizations can be good thing, not knowing the whole story, can be a bad thing.
Bob