Not yet. The problem is this… If you have a mag clamp that really holds the mags solid, more of the recoil is transferred to the spare mag, and the top round slides forward that much faster. I’ve tried loading the number 2 mag completely full with 30 rounds, and shooting a 20 inch HBAR to see if the top round would stay put… IT WON’T!
Of course if you have a mag clamp that has play… that’s obviously not good either.
I use the Mag Grip on my home defense gun. But I’m aware of the limitations of it, and accept those limitations. It is the most solid mag grip device available. Having another mag available, even if I have to flick off the top round or push it back in the mag is better than having an empty gun.
I recently picked up one of the Blue Force Gear light weight models, for my SBR. It seems like a very well made piece of gear.
It does change the feel of the gun slightly, but it’s not bad. It also will change the way you manipulate the rifle during re-loads, but training will take care of that.
I’m going to leave it on for awhile, and see how it works out.
The only thing problem I see for me, is that I shoot this rifle in some local tactical carbine matches, and it may be a handicap for that. Several of the matches require that you retain the magazine after a reload, if it has any rounds remaining in it. The mag clamp guys just slide over to the fresh mag, and the clamp “retains” the expended mag. With the redi-mag, I’ll have to use my dump pouch, and that will cost time.
I took my Gen I and put it on the CNC Mill and lightened it. I guess you could get a dremal and about 100 cutting discs too…:eek:
As for the double feed I dont look into it too much…its actually very simple:
-ID
-Lock
-Press mag release and pull/strip both mags out, once the bad mag clears let it continue to the ground…
-Hold on to the good one and:
-Rack, Rack, Rack
-Gas it up
-Go
There are a bounch of demos with that in the DVD coming out soon.
Oh shit thats right! the double feed reaction hand tongue method! (you have to see it to believe it!)
I am post those pics as soon as I find them! LOL:D
Seems like a lot of trouble to me, with no gain. Is the only point to avoid buying the BFG version? If so, you lost me.
Tap-Rack-Bang is easy enough with the old models. A PIA for sure with a loaded magazine in your hand but manageable with practice. Now try it when you actually need your support hand to do more than just rack a charging handle or hit the bolt release to clear the malfunction. This is hard to do with a mag in your hand. You either dump a perfectly good and topped off magazine or take the time to stow it so you have a free hand again.
Again, thats why I prefer the new-improved BFG/VT version. It goes along way in solving this problem the easy way. All while being lighter, better finished, and giving up nothing in reload speed. But to each his own.
I have a BFG 25% lighter Redi-Mag on my 12.5" SBR and was supposed to get a BAD to T&E but I haven’t thus far. Being a competitor I know ‘efficiency of motion’ and all that jazz is FAST! Actually VERY FAST!
Smooth is Fast, and they also say (I don’t know as I’m not a gunfighter) Fast is Deadly. Using a timer I’ve timed my reloads, 1 shot-reload-1 shot my best is 1.39 seconds (BUT not at bolt lock). From bolt lock I’ve got it down to 1.57 seconds. As I said I’m a competitor ANYONE who shoots (not-IDPA) knows it’s dumb to shoot your gun dry and then reload. I could probably get my reloads even faster…surely if that was my primary job. Honestly I don’t practice non-bolt lock rifles reloads nearly enough (I practice it, maybe just maybe 10-15 min a month).
One side of my brain thinks:
Sure a reload at the gun is the fastest since it’s already there, the problem I’m finding is I hate the term ‘muscle memory’ because I think it’s a misnomer, meaning when my AR runs dry my training normally says to hit the mag catch while reaching for another mag (both hands moving at the same time). So if my subconscious mind will following my training and I’ll likely come up with a mag in my support hand (from my belt or chest rig) and and then figure out ‘oh shit’ I still have a fresh mag on the Redi-Mag so I tell myself “Hey dumbass you have a fresh mag on the Redi-Mag…DOH!!!” and that you would be best to drop the one in my hand and use the one that’s in the Redi-Mag to recharge the gun.
The other side of my brain thinks:
The other side of myself is incorrect and you’ll figure it out by looking at the gun just before you hit the mag catch and realize that you don’t have to grab a mag out of your chest rig, belt etc. My reasoning behind this theory is I’m not only a handgun competitor I’m also a 3gunner (my favorite of it all). Reloading a shotgun involves (for me) getting shotgun shells from 3 different places. My first reload comes off the www.3gungear.com side saddle. 2nd and 3rd reload comes off my support arm (Mark Otto armband) and my 4th reload if the stage is that big comes off my belt (strong side from a California Comp Works 6 shot caddy). I don’t have problems transitioning from one area so there may not really be a problem. BUT reloading the shotgun is also different since sometimes I’m grabbing only 1 shotgun shell at a time, sometimes 3 shells at a time which is unlike a rifle/pistol where it’s 1 mag…
My conclusion not having test the MAD/Redi-Mag combo is that you really shouldn’t change too much from your training. If you choose to use the MAD/Redi-Mag combo you would be very wise to convert all your guns to it as to not F’yourself up while switching between your guns. It’s kinda like switching your M&P/SIG/Berettas mag catch to the left handed side (for trigger finger acutation) but then carrying a Glock. Bad Ju-Ju, Mr. Murphy will be your best friend.
I’m a very open minded Zen type guy always looking for a better faster ‘more efficient way to do anything’, USPSA is a thinking mans sport despite those that don’t understand it say about it. I’ll be happy to test the MAD when I can get my hands on one. Until that day the Redi-Mag will come off my SBR as it screws up my balance right now.
First off if it breaks (which I havent yet) then so what… guess what your left with? standard controls…
BUT you are absolutly right on the BFG version,… It is definitly the way to go IF you do not have a BAD due to the fact of your reaction hand having more to do.
But the perfect combo for speed and efficiency is the gen I with the BAD.
And Im not sure I understand your simplicity comment? the BAD makes it 10 times more simple to operate an AR platform… it illiminates steps in the manual of arms to reload and problem solve… isnt that what we really want in a weapon system?.. I think thats why the Massada was born…lol
As for production we have nothing yet. Its on the long list, just getting feelers for now. I will update as there is progress. and it would be a Magpul Dynamics product.
As Pat Rogers says, “let your mission dictate your gear”.
I figure that if I ever use my carbine “for real” it will be grabing it from the bedside in the middle of the night. Now if someone is gaining entry to my house, I know full and well that I will not have time to grab pretty much anything other than a firearm to stop the threat. My purpose for the Redi-mag was to have 2 full magazines on the carbine at all times so that in the event of the said above situation I would probably have just about any threat covered.
The way I use the Redi-mag most of the time in training is like what I would use a FB or speed reload type pouch. When I perform a reload from the Redi-mag, speed or tactical, I will jam another mag into the Redi-mag during a down time or lull the same way you would move a mag into a fast access pouch on the belt or vest from a covered and secured mag pouch. That way you keep 2 on the gun pretty much at all times.
On another note,
Wouldn’t a Titanium Redi-mag be the cat’s ass?
I know the Redi-mag is stamped, but I wonder if they could do one out of Ti.
Pat Rogers quote is clever, however it’s doesn’t get at the core of what I’m saying.
Have you shot your rifle at anything other than a square range or in training class?
I’m meaning something like force-on-force (like Simunitions) or something dynamic like USPSA/3-gun competition?
Things that you say or plan do and things you’ll actually do are quite different when you’re either being stressed simply by a timer or you’re trying to avoid being shot by a SIMS round (which really hurts like a bitch). Pain is a wonderful teacher.
Yes a titanium, polymer or carbon fiber Redi-Mag would be good actually.
