I have been looking at some threads and it doesn’t seem like anyone likes DPMS. I’m not trying to start a words war, I just want to know what’s the beef with DPMS?
Crap parts
Edit: I forgot crap assembly.
It not only DPMS it Olympic Arms, Double Star etc manufacturers who produce substandard parts that fail.
223 chambers even though marked 5.56
Some people like them,… I do. I have several and know where lots of others are that have happy owners. The biggest problem with DPMS is that they don’t say COLT on the side.
Some people think anything that is not Colt Noveski or LMT is garbage. Granted you do get what you pay for and for those whose life is on the line It makes sense to cover your bets and get the BEST. But, don’t let any one fool you, Even Colt, Noveski and LMT fail, break down and have a lemon slip out from time to time. OTOH there are many thousands of average joe plinkers who would be wasting money to spend extra. Every time I pull the trigger on one of my DPMS’s it goes bang and they are more accurate than most people can shoot. If you have the Need and/or the means spend a crap load of money and get something better than the Middle teir Ar’s. If you just want a fun gun to shoot get a DPMS or whatever and don’t look back.
Ricky
:rolleyes:
I couldn’t even read half of what you wrote.
ETA: No reason to take this as a chance to complain that you can’t afford better stuff which was it seems you are doing.
DPMS doesn’t have a lemon slip out when they label .223 chambers as 5.56 or they somehow manufacture a rifle that won’t accept KAC parts.
The biggest problem with DPMS is that they don’t say COLT on the side.
Actually the biggest problem with them is they use garbage parts. Compare one of their LPKs side by side with a CMT, LMT or Colt LPK and you’ll see the difference. Then do the same with a BCG. It’s more that what is stamped on the side.
Some people think anything that is not Colt Noveski or LMT is garbage.
There are others that put out rifles in the same price point as DPMS that are significantly better weapons. The three you mentioned just happen to consistently put out a quality product. That means something to some folks.
Granted you do get what you pay for and for those whose life is on the line It makes sense to cover your bets and get the BEST. but don’t let any one fool you, Even the Colt, Noveski and LMT fail, break down and have a lemon slip out from time to time.
Why not talk about what great fit and finish DPMS has as well. Every manufacturer puts out a bad whatever it is they make from time to time. How they handle the bad product and how consistent they put out a good product is what separates the junk from the quality.
OTOH there are many thousands of average joe plinkers who would be wasting money to spend extra. Every time I pull the trigger on one of my DPMS’s it goes bang and they are more accurate than most people can shoot.
If you have the Need and/or the means spend a crap load of money and get something better than the Middle teir Ar’s.
Advising people to buy quality vs inferior is wasting their money?
I always thought buying inferior and paying money fixing it was a waste of money.
BTW: DPMS isn’t a mid tier AR.
If you just want a fun gun to plink get anything except a DPMS or Oly and don’t look back.
Ricky
Fixed that one for you.
My dad was a proffesional mechanic ( really good one). His tool box was full of high dollar Snap On tools (when they were really good). He always told me if you make a living with your tools buy the best you’ll never regret it. The other stuff was for novices or week end (back yard mechs).
So where as Colt, LMT, etc. would be the Snap on (make living with tool…). The DPMS would be the Craftman ( weekend warrior, novice etc…)
Its all good. Depends what you want and “CAN” afford. Lots of mechanics start out with the craftman tool. Then work their way up to the GOOD stuff…
Buy the best you can afford, and if you can’t afford the best, save up a little longer.
A firearm is a tool, and it is a tool that when you need it to work…IT NEEDS TO WORK. Period.
Don’t skimp.
Yes sir…great advice. For those who may be able to afford whatever they want!!!
But what about the guy/gal who is on minimum wage who has saved 6 bills to buy an AR and it would take and year or two more to save up for the “Best”.
Wouldn’t it be better for him/her to at least be in the ball game with a DPMS.
My bet is those users wouldn not shoot their weapon as hard as most of us do.
With proper breakin and maintance I think it would be better then nothing.
Kinda like being stuck out in the middle of nowhere with a flat and no lug wrench…A cresent wrench could save the day…
Build one from quality parts then.
Maybe I typed too fast, Try reading slower. lol
DPMS ain’t no Craftsman. That’s for damn
Sure. BM is craftsman with their warranty etc.
Some folks can’t change a tire…
Come on now. You understand.
You would’nt deny honest hard working folks the ability to defend themself and family or put food on the table… would you? If there were only horsey stamps running around you would do just that.
DPMS, BM and others mentioned exist for the same reason Wal Mart and McDonalds exist…
Bash them all you want they aren’t going away.
The three worst of the worst:
- Model 1 sales
- Oly arms
- DPMS
The problem with these companies is not only the sub-standard parts and production, it’s the fact that they ask a premium for their products.
You people are discussing the worst AR manufacturers and NOBODY even mentions Vulcan?
This thread sucks! 
Seriously - I don’t have much experience with DPMS, but the lower on my Del-Ton M4 is a DPMS, and I believe that Del-Ton’s LPKs are basically DPMS LPKs. I’ve had absolutely no issues with it. The fit and finish on the lower is fine - everything is flush.
But I haven’t fired entire DPMS rifles so I can’t say much else, but yeah.
Take all that has been written here and think about the following:
The closest thing DPMS makes to an entry-level M4gery is the AP4, which prices on Impact Guns at $799. This comes complete with (2) 30 round mags, cleaning kit, sling, substandard parts and questionable assembly.
G&R Tactical sells the ADS (link to thread) for $825. This comes complete with a hard case, D&H Magazine, check-up by Grant, properly tested parts, proper staking, and black extractor buffer.
$26 isn’t much for that kind of service, and that much of a step up in quality. But hey, that’s just me.
I have seen three broken bolts in person. All three were DPMS. All three cracked at the cam pin hole. One was at less than 300rounds when it occured.
5.56mm chambers are essential for reliability in the AR platform in my experience. DPMS chambers have consistantly been closer to the .223 Remington spec.
Can DPMS overcome their past shortcomings? Sure they can.
Have they to any degree? I don’t know, because I’m going to let someone else go spend their money on testing that out.
Well I started the post so I guess I should put something. I have 2 DPMS rifles, one is the 308 LR-308AP4. I have shot about 2500 rounds with it and the only thing that has ever happened with it is the bolt didn’t completely catch the round. The reason for that was I didn’t push the mag all the way up(sounds stupid I know).My seconds DPMS is a 55.6 AP4 Carbine, I have shot around 2000 rounds with it and have yet to have ANY problem with it. I know everyone is going to ask if I have really put the guns to the test. I have, Rapid fire, not cleaned them, different loads and they have always fired just fine for me. So in my eyes I don’t think they are as bad as everyone is saying, but that’s just me.
That’s fine but your statistical sample size of:
2
does not really hold up when you look at civilian contract trainers and organizations that see hundreds and thousands of units. If yours run for you then rock on, brother!