Went shooting today and was wondering what a good group was at 25 yards.??? I WAS AT 2 1/2 TO 3 INCH GROUPS (good or bad) this is with the red dot. I was using american eagle black box for ammo. In a standing position. This was a S&W M&P 15.
Depends on the ammo, the gun, the shooter and the situation.
High strees under fire - any size group is acceptable. Other wise 5 shots at 25yds 1 hole to .4" from a good rest. Standing , off-hand etc - depends on the shooter.
You better put some more information in before you get reemed buddy.
What gun are you shooting, free-float, ammo, standing, sitting, hangin upside?
reemed?
To answer your question. Your S&W should be capable of one to two minute groups if you do your part right IMHO. roughly a 1/4 to 1/2 inch @ 25 yards. If you’re zeroing the rifle I’d be doing it prone supported & just remember your fundamentals.
threebanger is on the money.
You can’t do accuracy testing of your pea shooter from the standing. You’re only seeing how tight a group you can get at 25 yards. Go prone or bench to check your rifles capabilities.
Now, red dot, again a no go for accuracy testing of your rifle. At any distance you normally shoot from you should be able to get much smaller groups from the irons. Even a small dot is still 2.0 MOA.
We all want to know what our sticks will do and what we can do but you have to use a realistic yardstick to measure against.
Good luck.
The last time I fired at group at 25 yards I was laying on my stomach shooting rollover prone. I could cover five rounds with a dime.
What is your experience with the AR15/M16 platform?
If these are 100yards… divide by 4 for the size of groups at 25yards 
I love my Daniel Defense SPR!!!
I have been shooting ak’s so the ar is new to me.
At 25 yds bullets have not “gone to sleep” yet ie they are spiraling somewhat. In terms of MOA a 2-3 MOA (1/2"-3/4") would be good. At 100 yds a very good group would be less than 1 MOA (1"). 10 shots in each case.
This is for a “better than average” general purpose rifle shot by a very good shooter off a good rest.
Any discussion of group size in the real world MUST consider the shooter. Most casual shooters are not capable of better than 2-3 MOA off a good rest for 10 shots at 100yds with iron sights in my experience: with optics maybe 1/2 MOA before consideration of the rifle and ammo.
Then to start I would hook myself up with a sandbag for support and use the iron sights.
Practice shooting tight groups (3-5 shots) before you worry about where they are on the target.
What you consider tight will be what you consider tight; don’t worry about what others can shoot.
Some will tell you that they can do this offhand, unsupported with one eye shut and the other tied behind their back.
Good for them.
Look for covering 3 rounds with a quarter though; smaller is better.
Once you are comfortable with your grouping, move it to point of aim.
The Army standard is (or was 20 years ago) two consecutive 3 round groups inside a 4 cm circle.
Was supposed to be 3 rounds in a tight group to see where you were hitting.
3 more, this time inside the circle, after adjusting sights.
And 3 more into the circle to confirm.
You say cover 3 rounds with a quarter is that at 25 yards or 100.
25 meters/yards.
For what it’s worth, the group in my avatar was shot at 50 yards, prone, and metallic sights.
I feel I need to practice.
1/4 minute at 25 yds is very good accuarcy. This equates to <=1 moa at 100 yds which I think is very decent accuracy for the AR platform.
1/4 " @ 25 yrds is still 1 MOA not a 1/4 MOA. A 1/4 MOA would be a 1/4 of a 1/4" @ 25 yrds. A Minute of angle is 1/60th of a degree not the distance on paper & in measurement of angles the degree never changes just the relationship from POA to POI depending on the distance from origin. 1 Minute of angle is 1" @ 100 yrds therefor the same minute of angle is 3/4" @ 75, 1/2" @ 50, & 1/4" @ 25 but it’s still one minute of angle regardless of the physical distance on paper. Works both ways as well. One minute @ 200 is 2", 300 is 3" but it’s still just one minute. one minute only eqauls one inch @ 100 yrds.
I would challenge alot of people to beat this. Remember, he said standing. While it wouldn’t beat the accuracy of some High Power guys in the 200 standing slow fire stage, he’s using a carbine without a coat and match barrel/sights/trigger.
lol…mark, have you seen the SIZE of the SR200 target? The bull alone is 13 1/2". If i could get 3" groups slow fire off hand I’d be a pig in shit. That’s under 2 MOA unsupported & I have a hard time getting that from the sitting. Of course I have never used or will use a jacket.
get a good sling if you like shooting groups from standing…a rail helps just because you can put the sling attachment anywhere you want…and the sling doesn’t pull on the barrel when you use a freefloat rail.
Like I said-some. The black is that big, the X is 2 moa.