Welcome to the TASKER Network

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Welcome to the TASKER Network. I am its founder and CEO, and therefore the new owner of M4carbine.net. By now I’m sure you’ve heard, the TASKER Network was chosen by SOLGW to acquire M4C and succeed them as its steward, given our experience maintaining other discussion hubs in our space, within and beyond social media.

The long and short of it is SOLGW simply didn’t have the time to dedicate to running the place and keeping up with the upkeep, which I can see you’ve noticed and have been complaining about for some time; so, they offered it to me and I accepted. Let me provide some background about myself and how things have gone up to now.

In my day job, I am a 16.5 year veteran of the NYPD on patrol, and an avid student of the gun in the meantime. In 2017, I started the Facebook group Tactics & Applications (T&A), a vetted curation of the best and brightest across the industry and the surrounding firearms community. In 2021, I purchased Lightfighter.net; they, now along with M4C, constitute the TASKER Network, which launched formally in 2022.

Having already been a member of both LF & M4C prior to owning them, my approach to the latter will be similar to the former; which is to say, I’m not looking to change much about what and how you’re used to things being around here. It’s not about me, I am not seeking to interject into your day to day dialogue and make myself the star of the show. My priorities are to respect the place’s culture, and secure it and all the data accumulated over the last 20 years, that it may serve as a fallback point should social media ever become hostile to the greater 2A community, and so that we and our successors can have this resource to utilize going forward.

I know many of you are unhappy with the switch from the vBulletin to Discourse forum software. This was done before my time, and having been a member from the vBulletin days, I remember looking at the Discourse version once SOLGW bought the place and thinking “What the hell have they done to the place? That’s not the M4C I remember.”

In short, I sympathize. The tan and green color scheme some of you may have seen (compared to the black or white defaults) is an attempt to at least make it look familiar to what we remember M4C looking like back in the day. It is a work in progress, and your patience is appreciated as we finish tweaking things to get it closer to looking like what we’re all accustomed to a forum looking like; you’ll notice we’ve fixed and rearranged a few things already, towards that goal.

My understanding of the switch to Discourse is that it was SOLGW’s intention to “future proof” M4C in the face of the vBulletin software basically losing support and (due to Grant’s customized vBulletin setup especially) being so unstable it was deemed unreliable. I don’t hate this, knowing much of it can be reconfigured to look close enough to an older version of M4C to the extent that it’s easier to navigate. Right now, it’s what we got. Were I to ever consider switching the forum software in the future, it would be to the same Crowdstack Pro software that Lightfighter is currently using, albeit after a cost/benefit analysis.

As of right now, I have no plans to look into Tapatalk integration; I honestly didn’t know anyone still used it, I never did, and between being able to switch between mobile and desktop mode in my phone’s browser, I really don’t see the need.

That being said, if you have any questions or suggestions regarding the Discourse software, please bring it to our attention. We have good people helping us work out all the kinks we found when we first got a look under the hood to figure out what the hell was going on.

It’s my understanding that M4C was started with a focus on being a place where people serious about training could convene, and later doubled as a technical data resource, especially once William Larson (IraqGunz) planted roots here. Personally, I remember it being the largest significant alternative to arfcom back in the day.

I don’t want any of that to change; you may cross pollinate over to Lightfighter if you wish, with the understanding that there is a stricter standard of discourse observed there, with respect to the fact that there are so many professionals on that side of the house, so if you do step over there, make sure you come correct; in short, by comparison M4C is certainly the more casual between the two, but I expect the same standard of accuracy to be applied to any information that life and death decisions will be hinged on, even if the space is more laid back.

We’ve updated the logo to reflect this new era M4C has entered into; not too different from what was, but a little more up to date.

One other thing that will change that I don’t expect everyone to love, but in all fairness must be implemented; a paid Premium status level of membership will be created here, and the entire Marketplace section of M4C will be a part of that premium membership. This is going to be done for the following reasons:

1.) Lightfighter’s marketplace forums are bundled with its premium membership benefits, and there are people that have been paying the $5/month for that privilege for years; it would be unfair to make them pay for that there, and let it go for free over here, while both forums are part of the same network.

2.) This will prevent scammers from accessing and plaguing the listings with bullshit as more prevalent social media platforms like Meta and Reddit have started to crack down and outlaw any gun related commerce among their members, chasing said scammers into other areas where such Buy/Sell/Trade transactions are welcome.

Know especially that, once this premium membership is implemented, the fees collected from it will not be treated as profit that hits my pocket. They will be dedicated to overhead and hosting fees, first and foremost. Know also, that premium membership gives you skin in the game, since you’re contributing to keeping the lights on. M4C is now a “for us, by us” operation, independent of the whims of any particular industry entity… In light of that, to you I pose a question:

What bonuses (besides the Marketplace) do you want your premium membership to include? Dedicated forum sections? Discount codes? What about group buys? Something else exclusive? I’m open to suggestions; What (within reason) would give you incentive to pay for a premium membership?

The last thing I want to address is the staff. I’d like to thank all of you who’ve stuck around. I have no intention of cleaning you out and replacing you with new people or personal friends of mine. However, I would be surprised if every single listed member of the staff/mod/admin group(s) was still actively participating, so I can imagine those remaining might feel like they need some help.

I’d like for all presently participating staff members to reach out to me via PM. Tell me how long you’ve been on the staff, what your areas of specialty with regard to forum sections or forum software familiarity are, and who you would nominate among the M4C populace for a staff position to help you pick up the slack. I’m here to help you guys, so don’t be bashful.

If you have any questions or concerns otherwise, please feel free to bring them to my attention. Welcome to the family.

Stay Dangerous

Stay in this L.A.N.E.

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Great news. I look forward to M4C’s greatness again.

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Bro, Crowdstack sucks, look to Xenforo if you really want to bring back usability of the site. And I’m also LOL’ing at paid marketplace, may as well just bury the site now, hope you didn’t pay much to acquire it.

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What part of that paragraph did you not understand?

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Previously, a contributing membership allowed for more DM storage, which wa particularly useful for those using Marketplace.

If you have the ability to cross pollinate members, it would be outstanding to have a true crossover in some way, particularly for Marketplace.

I haven’t been on Lightfighter much in years, but it seems like if paid and former police and military still populate there with a focus on tactical this could be the destination for more technical discussions about tools, specs, builds, ammo, etc.

A real challenge will be making Marketplace the prime driver of revenue. With Reddit’s crackdown, GAFS has built their own wire with an incomparably large user base, including plenty of people that would want to stay at arms length of M4C’s general discussion forum….

And Tacswap charges a very low fee for use.

I’m very motivated to see this place continue and don’t mind contributing to contribute. Providing reference points on the Marketplace approach specifically.

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I see another new owner again has acquired this site. :neutral_face: Wish you luck. This place will never be the same sorry to say. As far as charging a fee not sure it’s good but I understand why you want to do it. Most won’t do that. I know I won’t. Sorry. :slightly_frowning_face:

I’m curious if the pre Discourse marketplace buyer/seller feedback data is still intact somewhere. That information was very useful.

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Well, this is encouraging news. No matter what obstacles might arise with a new owner, it is hard to imagine it could be any worse than the last year here - where for some time it was not even possible to register for the forum.

I also appreciate the fact that you gave information on what is happening. I was not a member during the last ownership change, but from what I gather SOLGW was very much an absentee landlord, with even the Moderators left in the dark much of the time.

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The premium membership option may have value eventually, but our active user counts would have to go back up for the value to be there.

Over the past year or so I’ve watch clowns list their junk who really aren’t participating members. Kind of a low class move. If it kept those goobers from choking the active Topics page with their garage sale crap it would be nice.

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It sounds like the idea here is that you won’t have to, it will be optional with some perks that not every user will value anyway. Like TOS or old M4c did/does memberships. If SOLGW had offered to sell me the site, that is how I would have attempted to cover expenses and the cost of growth.

I pay for websites or apps to unlock some of the features, and to avoid advertising to whatever degree I can. I use the internet for leisure and I’d like to be the customer rather than the product. It’s like spending more on a classy date and not getting crabs.

Other people prefer free, so advertising exists to cover their rent in online spaces.

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FYI: I hear (and have seen, from previous conversation) enough people complaining about the new forum software that it isn’t lost on me how unsatisfied everyone is over it. That message did not fall on deaf ears, and as an OG user of M4C myself, I feel where everyone’s coming from cause this Discourse stuff has a learning curve to it; that being said, I’ve already started looking into XenForo and what it would cost to implement. I’ve got a couple of other bases to cover first, but as long as it can be done quickly and correctly, I’m not opposed, especially since it will retain the data we have from the last 20 years what with the migration of one forum software to the next. Just please be patient in the meantime, and let everyone know there’s a new owner that wants to restore the former glory.

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I’m optimistic. No point in being a shit bird.

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Good luck with it.

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Well, I am hopeful that this site can get back some semblance of what it was. Best of luck on the your mission.

Personally I see this as a ray of sunshine and wish the new owners all the best. Standing by with my payment options as soon as that membership thing comes online.

Seeing as how I ain’t exactly sitting on a wealth of technical knowledge, that may be the best way for me to contribute. :laughing:

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Alright, there are enough of you popping up that I guess it’s easier just to ask you all here instead of sending individual PMs:

“Site Sponsor”

What all were you paying, and what were you getting for it?

I seem to remember it was $20 a year, at the time you needed a minimum number of posts before you could post in the general forum. Becoming a sponsors eliminated that requirement.

There was also a sponsors only forum though I never saw much going on there.

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Big Boss, that all sounds good, best o’ luck and patience is my middle name.

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Oh, yes, I forgot about that. There used to be a rule that you had to have a number of substantive posts before being granted use of General or Equipment Exchange subforums, unless you were a sponsor. This cut down on the noise from people who only want to sell shit or discuss politics. Unfortunately, at some point that was relaxed, and once people got into General, their post counts grew exponentially.

Great rule, probably the best we’ve had. I vote we return to it as soon as possible, resetting all members’ post counts to zero in the process to avoid grandfathering anyone that doesn’t even have an interest in discussing firearms.

You’d also get banned for post-count farming back then, too.

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