I like it. Lot of good read in it. Like one guy said, if you mess it on line somewhere, you may see it here in GD.
Just my $0.02!
doesn’t matter. its a gun forum. I want to see gun stuff when i click on new posts, not politics.
+1
Sorry, just the smart ass in me…
Rob, you hit it on the head with this idea. I wouldn’t necessarily ban the “+1’ers”, unless it was a habit they couldn’t break. A lot of the time, IMO, someone will wrap up a reply so well, that “+1” is appropriate. Of course it could be stated as “I agree”, or some other verbiage.
By the time someone has matured enough (read 200 posts) they should have the tone of the forum down pretty well. This is one of only two forums that I frequent, simply because of the wealth of knowledge, the civil discussions and the range of opinions.
If this became a strictly technical board, it might be just a bit too dry. I’ve found out about a lot of current affairs (ie the resent mob “protest”) that I might not have stumbled upon elsewhere.
So far as those who might migrate to this forum seeking quality information, but haven’t gained enough experience in either life or AR’s to avoid “inane shit”, I’ve got mixed opinions on. We all at one time or another have asked the “stupid” question and I’m sure the veterans get tired of typing “search is your friend”, but we all have to learn somehow. Those who only seek to validate their opinion seem to be addressed fairly quickly and in clearly stated manner by the members here. And those who are looking for advice receive excellent real world answers. Short of implementing some sort of vetting procedure before someone could post, I think you have to tolerate a certain level of “static”. I was a moderator on a fairly large (15k+ member) forum and saw a lot of different personalities. Some mature, some immature. To me, the whole point of a forum, any forum, is the free exchange of ideas and opinions, inane or brilliant, insightful or repetitive.
Keep it. I think it’s a great place to vent about todays top news stories or anything else that doesn’t fit in another place. I disagree with Robs minimum post count to be able to post in gd because then you will start to see “+1” in just about every post across the board. make it like the leo forum with restricted access sort of, except kinda the opposite. everybody has access until a mod revokes it for violation of rules.
I think dumping GD would make this place less civil.
and with the little bad it would take away the good also.
Posts like share pic’s of your pets, asking or advice or even sharing
a good joke amunst friends.
My suggestion after being a mod on another forum for a number of years
is to split political/religious topic’s into their own section.
The you can rule that topic with an iron fist when things get outta hand.
and just let it be known that there is a strict NO BULLSHIT policy.
(no name calling, no personal attacks, keep it on or close to the OT, period)
I personally think taking the politics OUT of GD would make things lighter hearted and would promote growth and even friendship.
I personally like Grants topic a few weeks back about the wife being out of town and seeing pic’s of his land, hot tub, ect…
it was a fun post and no one got butthurt.
It would be a shame if those type posts had to go away just because
some can’t control themselves when it come to stronger issues like
political/religious views.
(i know i have some f’ed up values when it comes to those subjects
so i try to keep them to myself).
Over @ M&P pistol i just stay out of that section and have actually
made a few friends over there.
juz my $.02 AND a possible solution that has seemed to work
on other boards that we’re having the same issues and overheated
discussions turning arguments turning into " oh yah, well… my dad can beat up your dad".
I voted no.
Rob_S has a good point about a minimum post count before being allowed into GD. There are some good threads posted but…there should be new set of “Rules before posting” which is thorough enough that no one goes over board and should be “self policed” by the members under the new rules, and should never be allowed to get out of hand. Mods and Staff have enough baby setting to do and don’t need the overwhelming majority of their time, over watching GD. They should intervene “if” it is proven that the members participating in GD, can’t self-police it under the new ROE, and goes sideways. Then warnings, suspensions, and bans handed out accordingly.
I like Rob’s idea. I’ve ventured briefly onto TOS’s GD and the level of stupidity far surpasses anything I’ve ever seen here. I like GD because we have alot of members/mods with great senses of humor and I think that would be lost. Also, I don’t pay too much attention to the news anymore and I get alot of current events here. Finally, I like the self defense stories that Irish posts, and if we got rid of GD, I’d at least like to see a sub forum, possibly in Training and Tactics, for threads like these.
I’ve only been a member here for a couple weeks so my opinion is really irrelevant. In addition to the technical section I have been interested in some of the things in the GD section. Post such as Bajadores: They are here for real… by Hoploethos and of course the Dumbest things overheard at gun stores.
There are good and bad points for each decision. In the end, you have the magic buttons and won’t hear me complain either way. I enjoy this site and and feel lucky to be a part of it.
Actually after thinking about it for a minute the 200 post count min sounds like an excellent idea. It gives a member a decent amount of time to get a good picture of just what the tolerance level of the board is, that being damn low. The arfcom turdburglers won’t have the patience to stick around that long I’d believe, no, …make that hope.
it wouldn’t be missed.
The only “issue” with the 200+ or “X” amount before you can post
might lead to 199 “spam” posts.
“ITA”… “wow your right thanks” and other such just putting "filler’
or even asking bullshit questions just so they can get their post count up.
I may be wrong (would be far from the first or the last time…
lol)
just sayin…
Mission Statement
The purpose of M4Carbine.net is to provide a forum to share professional and technical information to the shooting community. The forum is open to military, law enforcement, and recreational shooters
I voted yes, mainly because I do agree with the statement.
Keeping that in mind–what good does the current GD do other than be a gossip shop.
And I would hold that the votes reflect the market share–I wouldn’t have seen this if it wasn’t for the mod topic on it. Which means the yes’s probably won’t be as heavy in here.
We would happily make that an infraction and mercilessly crush their account for doing so.
The spillover thing is part of the conversation. If someone wants to bring abortion into a thread about an offering from Noveske, we will happily eject them from the board with extreme prejudice.
What drew me to M4Carbine.net in the first place was the level of technical information and the enlightened discussions from genuine experts…and not just our IP’s/SMEs. We have guys here who may not have a fancy color in their title but they are an invaluable resource. DBrowne, Beat_Trash, NCPatrolAR, Templar, and a bunch of other guys I could name have all made contributions that have made me rethink the way I do things or approach things.
The complaint we’ve heard repeatedly is that the quality of the discussion has gone downhill in the last little bit as the forum has grown…and GD is oft cited as an example of all that is wrong with the site. Eliminating GD would solve that source of complaint…and we’d be pretty strict on those who attempted to GD-ize a technical discussion…and we won’t be gentle about it when we take action, either.
The discussion would probably be unnecessary if we could count on everyone to listen more than they talk and treat everyone from a default level of respect.
There is some good from the GD forums. One of them is it does help people get info from Industry Proffessionals or some LEOs. Hopletheos has posted some great stuff that might not be available, unless it went into the LEO forum. I am not a LEO, but I do work for the Govt, and I live on the border. Usefull tools are everywhere. Also, I am a career Intel Geek, so it is good to get other info sometimes.
But yes, I do agree, some of the crap needs filtered.
I voted No.
I believe that the general discussion forum is a good complement to the technical forums. Because, it is an outlet for members to interact with others regarding a variety of topics. And, in my opinion it makes the site much more enjoyable.
As a newer member, this is only my opinion if you care to know it. And as some others have mentioned, if one doesn’t care for the General Discussion area of the forum. Then do not read/ visit that part of the site.
I will acknowledge that it likely takes a great deal of time and effort for the Staff and Moderators to keep things in line and civil. A solution?
The post count mentioned is a possible answer. Or more serious repercussions for failing to adhere to the rules provided, to possibly a probationary period for new members of the site.
Either way, I hope that the GD remains. There are many people here on this forum with both varied and interesting opinions and thoughts, and I personally enjoy reading them.
The M4c site is the first gun related site I joined on the internet and I feel it is one of the best. The variety of experience, thoughts, and views is the reason I believe it is the preeminent site for everything gun related.
Thanks for your consideration,
SkiDevil
I voted no because I am one of those people who rarely posts outside of GD. I would love to be able to post in the technical discussion and other such forums but sadly, I’m not able to get to the range as much as most here due to my schedule, therefore I don’t experience minor problems with my weapon or know how the latest QD socket works or doesn’t work on my forend. Despite my lack of knowledge in those areas I still enjoy reading things like that because I enjoy firearms. I also enjoy reading and discussing things going on in our country in the GD forum, especially here, because I guess you could say “these are my kind of people”. People with common interests are attracted to each other and are usually on the same wave length as others in the community. I have gained an incredible amount of knowledge regarding our political climate from reading the GD and it has propelled me to do my own research and learn even more. I also appreciate reading the opinions of my elders since they are far wiser than I. If it was shut down, I guess I just wouldn’t come here as much.
This is VERY easily dealt with. For one thing you can up the minimum number of characters per post. Additionally if you click on a person’s name you can click “find all recent posts” which brings up a list. If “+1” type posts make up the majority of what you see, nuke 'em.
I will say that if someone really was so intent at posting 200 +1s just to post in GD on an internet forum I frankly think they should go home, put their head in the oven, and blow out the pilot light. Preferably before they have a chance to reproduce.
I was curious about my own record…about 50/50.
It would be less than ideal(Rob’s idea still wins in my book,) but nor would it be the end of the world, particularly if there was some other area opened up that would accommodate things like the RTT CQB Man thread from long ago. But that would inevitably be general discussion with a different name.
I voted no. M4C is the only forum that I’m active in on a regular basis and I do enjoy “conversing” and debating certain topics, that are out of the technical scope of M4C, with like minded individuals. I honestly believe that the average intelligence level on M4C is higher than most other forums and I’ve learned a lot since joining here.
One of my primary reason for posting most of the self defense threads is to reinforce the idea that this shit happens everyday, everywhere and to everyday people and we need to be prepared for it. I believe it may also help people reevaluate their tactics and their mindset and there have been some very good discussions following the OP in some of these self defense threads. If these types of threads are no longer wanted due to clutter and BS I’ll simply stop posting them.
My original intention when I joined M4C was for technical, no BS information on weapons. Admittedly, and I have participated, there have been a lot of BS threads started and stupid internet fueds as of late and I would encourage people to reread what they’ve typed before hitting the Submit Reply button.
The forum software has been configured for years now with a minimum character requirement. Go ahead and try and type “+1” and see what happens.