Vintage Trooper Shooting (1987)

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//youtu.be/iOHnv2qn8w8

As much as things change, some stay the same. I have a love/hate affair with GSP. A lot of attitude and uppitiness just over ticket cutting but…they are also our state’s mascots so much love. I’ve backed them. They’ve backed me.

Notes:
The fat guy is NOT a Trooper. Can’t make out the patch but he is not GSP. He is local backup.

The chubby cop has a Model 19. That was the gun du jour of the day. The last breed swore by them, even eschewing the more advanced 686. Most loaded .38s as .357s were frowned upon do to folks protesting how “unfair” .357 is. The NAACP did this a lot in the day. So a lot of policies started banning magnum loads. bleh.

Trooper has a 645 which was so high speed in the day. Troopers used the gamut of glamour guns for a while. Stainless Python 4"s, 645s, 4506s…then the gay ass Glock 37 which was pointless and political. Now they use real Glocks.

The perp kinda did need shooting.

And finally…current year sucks.

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That was a very patient LEO… he had every chance. Twice.

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That was painful to watch. I thought it was going to turn into another Dinkheller type incident.

Thanks for sharing.

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Yep. “You’ll make it brah”

People didnt used to be so uptight. Folks now want M4s to respond to domestics.

Sheeeyit. 1980s GSP such as it was he probably just left the ticket with the hospital and got 10-8 and ate a good lunch, cut a few more tickets, and put the shoes to old girl later that night. Probably just gave em the spent casing. Like kept the same gun and finished his shift.

No piss tests, no days off, no bullsheeyit.

I’m somewhat joking. But man…those were the days. Hell even the early 00s were more fun.

If dipshit is still alive 30 years on, I bet he is pooping out of a bag. Winchester Super X Silvertips, I’d wager. I don’t think Rangers or Black Talons happend yet.

I still have some Black Talons .45 ACP. A neat memento. Old Ranger boxes too.

I sometimes think about selling all my shit save for my Smith 45, an 870, my M16E1 clone and buying a boat. And head to the islands.

Which islands?

Any islands

Oh HELL no, sir. I only post positive stuff.

I, to this day, walk out on Dash Cam snuff films. I’m exempt. You can miss me with that.

Roscoe P. Coltrane not knowing whether to have his gun or not while Trooper has a dude at gunpount irked me but it had a happy ending.

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Trooper talking about the suspect he just shot: “I can’t believe how stupid he is.”

Made me LOL.

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Nothing makes the guy on the hood more compliant than shooting the non compliant person in the passengers seat.

Say what you will, that Trooper was running the show and you can tell he was running things because he gave LOTS of chances to not get shot.

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Saw that video in the academy in 1994. We were told chubby retired shortly after watching how close he came to loosing his gun. I don’t remember when the silver tips showed up but the Federal Nyclad 38 special plus + were the round to have in the late 80’s early 90’s. Everybody still smoked and no one wore a seatbelt or had body armor. David

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“Keep your hands where I can see them or I will shoot you again”. Fkn Stupid.

PB

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I remember that video clearly, it was shown in training years ago . The video that sticks with me, though, is the Trooper Mark Coates video. I worked for a PD in the same county that occurred in about a year after it happened and most of the officers there knew him well. He shot the POS 5 times in the chest with a .357, the guy gets off a shot with a NAA mini revolver. Trooper Coates is hit in the armpit and bleeds to death while the POS lives. The video is very hard to watch.

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You bastards just made me look up both the Coates and Dinkheller incidents.

My evening is now ruined and I have a fresh urge to both train more and continue avoiding society at large…:bad::blink:

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Hope he did. Guy on the hood is clearly eyeing his gun as it’s sitting in there unstrapped, basically right next to hood guy’s right arm and he throws some low-ready in there like it’s range time.

ETA: I still wouldn’t feel undergunned today carrying +p Nyclad 38’s in a 686+ as a duty gun with 3 speeds on the belt. Also, IIRC, Coates was using 125gr (Remington?) .357, which was THE “man-stopper” at the time.

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That Mark Coates video is brutal, never saw that before. Just brutal!

PB

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The chubby deputy was worthless.

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I used that video for several years during training, did not watch it this time, but surprised no one mentioned the Trooper witnessing to the guy: “have you been washed in the Blood of the Lamb?”

The video shows the human and Spiritual side of the Trooper.

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What’s sad is that it needn’t have happened IF the Troops who passed by Coates’s stop weren’t so anxious to make their stops to try to get a seizure. I never just drove by another Deputy or a Trooper when they were on a stop, I pulled in to back them. If I was on dispatch, I’d check to see if they were code-4 and then get on my way.

Interdiction ruined LE as far as I’m concerned.

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You guys have made me think of a couple other videos I used in training:

This one is the murder of Constable Darrel Lunsford, the In the Line of Duty video which I used is much clearer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejy1D1iOYYs

Things you should notice - one-on-one, then two-on-one, no effort to create distance to maintain advantage and keep both in front of him/in field of view; guy puts hat on roof, pretty obvious signal ‘there’s gonna be some violence’ went undetected; Lunsford walks between, turns back on subject; when attacked Lunsford had his maglite in hand, instead of using it to deliver blows to the guy’s head and spine, Lunsford goes to the ground with both the flashlight and the guy’s DL in hand (this is why at our Academy our 250-300 student officers a year did drop drills in the gym and on the range).

This was a tragedy borne-out largely because, IMO, Constable Lunsford had never faced much resistance, he was a big man, gruff looking and talking, up until this point folks had complied. He got complacent.

Plus psychologically, we want things to go okay. Many people ignore danger signs because they don’t want to face the fact that things may not be okay. If you watch enough patrol car video you see this in action - officers look away when they tell someone they are under arrest, look away/ignore signs of increased tension, etc. It is, I believe, a human trait, that we need to be aware of.

I love Trooper Andy Lopez, the guy is a gunfighter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVxGS8BLeBg

Starting at 1:26, you see a shove, pivot away while drawing, good one hand hit and then the NATURAL instinct to close with and conquer what threatens us almost gets Andy shot. Notice how he moves up on the man he dumped, then as another shot is fired he kind of goes ‘hey, I’m still in a gunfight.’

Great instinctive tactics, on the In the Line of Duty video of this Trooper Lopez says that at some point he noticed his nights sights glowing and siad to himself: ‘hey, if I line these up, I can get some hits’ (paraphrase).

A completely unassuming, genuine gunfighter, Trooper Andy Lopez.

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I just liked the old cars and retro gear.
Now come the snuff films.

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I went through the academy in 1987. Ah, the memories. I carried a S&W Mod 66 for a year and a half until I was able to save up for a Sig P226. Fortunately, I worked for a department where you could carry anything as long as it was on the approved roster. I had the 2nd Sig in the county. No one knew what they were back then. I seriously considered the S&W 645 as well as the B-92F. If you carried a wheel gun, magnum loads were ENCOURAGED in my state of Texas.

In 87-89&90 it was still Silvertips mostly with a mix of semi-jacketed HPs. Black talon and bonded HPs started coming out around 91… Or so. True… If you wanted decent body armor then, you bought your own.

F*** I’m getting old. So, for 1987… That was state of the are chit back in the day. Back then, we made do with a six shooter, and carried 18 rounds total on us. Only about HALF of us had hand held radios, and there was a pump 12ga in the car. Back-up was minutes away, so you just “handled things” or got your @$$ kicked. What a feeling it was when I switched from the revolveer with 18 rounds on me to a P226 with 46 rounds on me. About the same time, I became one of the first (possibly the first) patrol officer in my A/O that was carbine equipped and qualified. Yes I BOUGHT my own carbine too…

A lot of good cops were killed back then. Things were pretty hot in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Heck, they are now too. Y’all be careful out there.

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I understand your sentiment, but if he wasn’t there, the other deputy would have gotten double teamed without a doubt. The guy on the hood seemed to look for his chance about a dozen times.

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The Trooper was Benji Hodges(sp?).