Thoughts on new trigger

[m1a_scoutguy]

@snappy

I thought it was nice that Geissele included the red av grease with the SSA. A little goes a long way so you can dope up several of your triggers with it. Love mine and it has been/will continue to be well worth the cost of admission.

I agree,the little tube of grease is a nice thought !! I know for sure,after first pulling the trigger and it felt pretty decent,after the grease it felt much better !!!

[OneUp]

@Jakal

When my SSA arrived, it had an instruction sheet, the trigger group and a plastic vial of red aviation grease. There are better greases for different applications.

I called Mr. Geissele and spoke with him for about 20 minutes. The red aviation grease has certain properties that were determined better suited for this type of applicaton, via all the field testing that was done. But the instruction sheet also states you can use other types. I am not as smart as Mr. Geissele when it comes to triggers, so I took his recommendation and did what the instructions said.

If you want more than that, call the gentleman yourself.

As stated this is a non-adjustable 2 stage COMBAT trigger. Not an adjustable 2 stage match trigger which is way different. I personally wouldn’t want a match trigger on a self defense AR. Too damn touchy. Now if I was shooting bench-rest, comp matches or varmit hunting, then yes, I would want a national match trigger.

All triggers do need to be lubed, unless they are a self-contained unit.

This was another post a little further down…it has the instructions in the post.

tp://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=47992

put in the ht in front of the tp://

Thanks for the link to the other thread, I’m not entirely sure how I missed that yesterday. Again, I clearly mistook your original post and have been quickly corrected on it. Thanks for taking the time to answer/respond to my question.

[DrMark]

@sagmill

LMT

The SSA is designed to break like a carrot. The DMR Hi-Speed breaks like an icicle.

If a shooter wants a sharp, light match trigger the Hi-Speed series is the way to go. The SSA is a combat trigger…if it was set up like a DMR it would be uncontrollable to many shooters in stress shooting situations because fine motor control decreases as stress level increases.

A good rule of thumb when selecting between the two triggers is to look at the power of the optic on the rifle. 4x and over: use the DMR. 4x and below: strongly consider the SSA unless the shooter wants the ability to tune the trigger to his liking.

If you can’t tell much of a difference between the GI trigger I wonder if something is wrong. Please take a moment to call us so we can go over the installation and trigger operation as the difference should be like night and day.

WHG

Thanks for stopping by to discuss your triggers. I love my DMR.

Folks, like the man says, if you have a question or problem, give him a call. 610-272-2060

[M4Fundi]

I bought my SSA from Larue and it did not come with directions/maintenance info or lube, so I just called Geissele and the lovely lady there said she would email the directions/maintenance info “immediately” and if I emailed her back my address she would get the lube in the mail to me ASAP:D Can’t get better customer service than that!

[Jakal]

Yep, There’s more than one way to 'reach out and touch someone".

Phone and email are good too!

So OneUp,

Have you put any more rounds thru it yet? If not, post back when you do and let us know how it’s going.

[OneUp]

@Jakal

So OneUp,

Have you put any more rounds thru it yet? If not, post back when you do and let us know how it’s going.

I think you might have me confused with the OP, but I have not yet pulled the trigger (pun intended) on the SSA. I’m still trying to figure out if I’d be best served sticking with the GI trigger or going with the SSA for a non-bench gun. I don’t want to trade the reliability of the USGI trigger for a marginal improvement in feel. Most reviews seem to say that’s not the case, but then I read about special grease, don’t use KNS pins, etc and it starts to sound less like a combat trigger and more like a finicky (there’s that word again) match trigger.

[rdc0000]

@LMT42

I have to say that I’m not that impressed. Perhaps it needs to be broken in before I can judge it. Perhaps my LMT single stage wasn’t as crappy as I thought. Perhaps I don’t have discerning taste. Regardless, it’s nice, but I’m not sure it’s $170.00 nice.

Anyone else have similar experiences?

No, I received a reliable 2-stage trigger adjusted to 4 lbs. I wish that the 1st stage pull was longer but, that is a personal preference. The hammer lights off 5.45x39 to boot . I don’t have to wonder when will it break like some 2 stages or is it going to start doubling like many, many worked over single stage triggers( not me but a friend). I have a better match trigger, but the loctite screw inside does not give me a reliable feeling. Loctite is fine on a range comp gun but, my carbine is a defensive weapon requiring RELIABILITY and I do not think anything lower than 4 lbs belongs on a semi.

[M4Fundi]

@Jakal

Yep, There’s more than one way to 'reach out and touch someone".

Phone and email are good too!

So OneUp,

Have you put any more rounds thru it yet? If not, post back when you do and let us know how it’s going.

I installed and assumed it was lubed b/c of some colored spots on it But went ahead & put some CLP here and there and some TW25 here and there and I think its brilliant. My first Multigun Shoot with it I came in 3rd in the Rifle/Pistol section.I was using an N4 Light Basic with Aimpoint against everyone else’s rifle length race guns with powered optics so I was very pleased and believe the trigger helped my shooting immensely! My single stage mil trigger was long heavy which I can deal with but the the creep was so bad (3 bad spots) it would trick me into thinking it was going to break on my longer shots and I would have to double stroke the trigger. Really annoying. 2nd competition with it will be this Sat:)

[seb5]

I’ve currently got SSA’s on 3 of my carbines. I could claim how good it is but would only by repeating what has mostly been said. I’ve spoke with my money. In the past I’ve had RRA, Springfields, and Jard’s, all of which I now own zero. I still use an JP single stage on my precision AR and have considered switching it out for an appropriate Giesselle but am not sure there’s any reason to on that rifle. I am even considering buying one for my issued full auto if the powers that be will allow it.

I’ve had some minor issues with 1 of the triggers that frustrated me. I never did call the maker as I thought I resolved it. I have one that the hammer pin kept walking out. I removed it and all looked right, reinstalled, same issue. It was kind of frustrating for me because I couldn’t seem to make it right. I’m not even sure that there was/is any issue with the trigger assembly. It could be the lower, which is my oldest, an early 1990’s Bushmaster. Anyway, I bought a set of KNS pins and it’s been running for the last 1500 rounds without incident. This thread had made me think my fix is wrong and I might need to re evaluate and adjust fire.

[Jakal]

My bad OneUp,

I did mean LMT42.

[M4Fundi]

Amy Geissele emailed all the installation and maintenance info to me same day and I got this email today from Amy…

"Thanks for the kind words…we are shipping out all the supplies that you need today. Once you get everything let us know if you have any other questions or if you need anything. Thanks and have a great day!

Amy Geissele
Geissele Automatics, LLC - We Manufacture Confidence
1920 W. Marshall St.
Norristown, PA 19403
amy@geissele.com
Phone: (610)272-2060
Fax: (610)272-2069
Website: www.geissele.com"

All handled within 24 hours!

And the missing info sheets and lube was not even Geissele’s doing it was the mistake of the distributor I ordered from.

[knguye11]

Today I just installed a SSA, and I am glad I did it. Previously I had a LMT 2-stage on a Defender2000 lower, and it was very good trigger already. The pull was very clean and light. However, after installed a SSA, I thought SSA feel much better. I had a reservation at first to install a SSA, but when it’s all and done. I should have this trigger all along. This is a trigger for your go to everyday gun.

Also, someone has concern will SSA work with a KNS Gen 2 Non-Rotating Trigger/Hammer Pins. Not to worry, this fit perfectly on KNS.

[seb5]

Those look like Gen I to me. They worked for me but I will heed what the manufacturer said. He knows more than us about his products.

[Lucky_Strike]

@OneUp

I think you might have me confused with the OP, but I have not yet pulled the trigger (pun intended) on the SSA. I’m still trying to figure out if I’d be best served sticking with the GI trigger or going with the SSA for a non-bench gun. I don’t want to trade the reliability of the USGI trigger for a marginal improvement in feel. Most reviews seem to say that’s not the case, but then I read about special grease, don’t use KNS pins, etc and it starts to sound less like a combat trigger and more like a finicky (there’s that word again) match trigger.

you don’t need a “special grease” that’s just the lube that GA has determined to work best and they’re nice enough to give you some. You can use any lubricant.

Just like you don’t “need” slip2000EWL for lubing up your BCG and can use Break CLP but lots of people have the opinion that the EWL works the best.

Nothing finicky about the trigger as far as lube goes

[Pappabear]

Im thinking you forked up the instal. Have someone else that knows what it should feel like, pull it and let you know. It may just need a little tweaking.

[M4Fundi]

knguye11

Food for thought

Originally Posted by vicious_cb
From Bill Geissele himself:

DasRonin,

I didn’t see an email from you. It might have got hung up in my spam filter or something.

Here is the deal on non-rotating pins

Geissele SSA pins are 0.1550" dia +/-0.0001
Holes in the trigger can be 5 tenths over Geissele pin size
Kns pins are either .154 or .1555. So they are either too loose or just about a metal to metal fit in our triggers

Geissele pins are chrome-moly steel that is rough turned, rough ground, heat treated and then centerless finish ground. They are a quality pin.

Why do we not recommend KNS pins? One is that they are the wrong size. Can the smaller diameter pins work? Yes, but they are not the intended size and there can be a 'softer" break to the 2nd stage with them.

But the biggest reason is that the KNS pins are soft. Sometimes when they are installed they pull up a burr that causes havoc with trigger operation. I get calls from frustrated customers where they are totally disappointed in their SSA because it either feels terrible or it hangs up. I spend all kinds of time on the phone wracking my brain trying to figure out what is going on and trying to work the customer through the problem. Finally, I ask the customer to send the trigger in (which I hate to inconvenience the customer with) and the issue is that the KNS pins are jamming the trigger up.

Yes, our website is a total mess. We have a new one almost ready but I would rather spend time in the shop. We doubled our manufacturing floor space in Dec and am still getting everything set up. BTW - the company has a Facebook page if you guys want to check us out.

I hope this helps, guys. Don’t ever hesitate to contact me if questions come up.

[blake-b]

I’m spoiled by my SSA. I want one in all my ARs now.

[Belmont31R]

@blake-b

I’m spoiled by my SSA. I want one in all my ARs now.

I quality trigger is worlds apart from a rough and gritty USGI. Nothing wrong with a USGI trigger but given the overall cost of a quality carbine an extra 160 for an SSA is a bargain.