Sadly, some of us in certain states have lived with the 10-rnd mag limitation for quite some time.
I’m curious to know… do any of you have 10-rnd factory mags for the G19 or G17?
Do these guns run with expected reliability with 10-round mags, or is there some compromise in reliability that comes with restricted capacity high-cap mags?
I was curious about this as well
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I have 2 10 round G17 mags which aren’t reliable. Also, when loaded to 10 rounds they’re a bitch to insert
South… Thanks for that info. I haven’t seen anything to that effect, myself, that’s why I asked.
I will stick to my 15- and 17- rounders in those models, as there are a number of other great models to choose from with native 10-round cap mags, if necessary. (G30, G26, M&P45, HK45, M&P40C, etc.)
Even though I have a number of pre-ban mags for both my G17 and G19’s, I also have a number of OEM 10 rounders for each as well as being in Cali this is all we can get new.
While a little harder to load (an UpLula takes care of that) and insert than standard cap mags, they’ve all been totally reliable with a few thousand rounds through each in normal range use, training classes and IDPA/USPSA matches.
Granted this is just my experience but so far they have been good to go.
You may want to consider a Wolff spring to see it that aids in reliability.
In my experience the 10 round mags in my G19 have been less reliable then standard capacity. If laws are passed so I can’t use standard cap mags then I will sell my G19’s and get something where 10 rounds are the normal capacity.
Is SW Washington not where you live normally?
As to reliability, I bought a Glock 19 during the ban and the only issue I had was loading them to capacity. IIRC, one of them was so tight that if it was loaded to capacity, you could not get it seated properly if the slide was closed.
I had several recurring problems with a couple G19 and g23 10 round magazines. I believe the malfunction description was LRND…Last round nose dive.
Those malfs were more prevelant in the 23 than the 19 but they suffered the same issues. I’d have to go back to my notebook but there was a fix you could do to the 9mm mags by replacing the follower. I just don’t remember which follower it was. Of course I’m not sure if that would still apply today or not.
By chance, I recently sent a G19 lower to Ben at Boresight, so he could cut it to take G26 magazines. I think I would rather run a 10 round 26 mag, than a less reliable 10 round G19 mag.
I have heard of no problems with the 10 round HK mags in the P30, and for years I ran 10 round mags in a P2000 without any problems.
Hopefully Glock is working on a properly engineered 10 round magazine for the 19/17.
The neutered mags generally work best when downloaded by one or two rounds. They are so worried that you might actually squeeze in an 11th round that they are very tight with 10
Hard to load the 10th and hard to insert with the slide closed
When I said “some of us”, I wasn’t including myself as a Washington resident… I was referring to California residents.
From what I’m hearing and after further consideration, I won’t bother with trying to use 10 rounders in my 19 and 17. If I have to run guns with 10 rounders, I will choose guns originally designed for 10 round mags, not put crippled mags in formerly high cap guns.
A contrasting experience: I used nothing but 10 round G17 mags from 2003 through the end of the AWB and still occasionally use them in club matches. Result: one malfunction out of several thousand rounds.
All shooting was done with FMJ. YMMV.
I’ve had reliability issues with my factory 10rd G17 mags. As others have said, they’re a bitch to load and don’t tend to like being loaded to full capacity. At full capacity they are pretty much impossible to seat on a closed slide. Other reliability issues I’ve had have been failures to lock back and I believe I’ve had a few premature lock backs, but my memory is bad. One issue I’ve noticed with the 10 rounders is the follower design (at least with whatever generation mags I have) seems to allow the follower to tilt and/or push past the feed lips and top of the mag. Kind of like the split devel-style followers on 1911 mags. I’ve had multiple times on at least 1 or 2 of my 10 rounders where the follower jumped the top of the mag on the last round and the front of it pushed just forward of the front of mag body. Don’t know if that description makes sense. Caused the mag to lock up pretty hard in the gun and had to be yanked out. Had that happen several times with that mag. I’ve never had that happen before with the high capacity mags.
I did not read all the replies before replying. I have multiples of the models mentioned and living in one of “those” states I have many 10 round magazines. I have never experienced any malfunctions with any of my 19S or 17s. There is a phenomenon where some 19s will malfunction when shot by women. I have seen this on more than one 19 with more than one woman. Hand the malfunctioning gun to a man and it runs like clockwork. Hand it back to a woman and you get an occasional FTF. I have heard all sorts of speculation and theories as to why this was happening, but each G19 was in good repair with no obvious problems and it didn’t matter if the mag was a 10 rounder or a standard capacity. All of my Glocks were purchased before '09.
That is just classic limp-wristing/crap grip. Polymer, lightweight pistols are a little more prone to it by nature.
Interestingly these same women on the same day with the same ammo did not have an issue with either G17s or G26s, or with any other model or caliber.
My gen3 Glock 19, purchased during the dark days of the AWB, had issues. The original 10 round magazines were very unreliable (nose dive FTFs about once every 20 rounds). New followers (9mm4, as I recall) mostly solved the problem until standard capacity mags became availabe. No problems ever with any of my standard capacity mags. I still use the old 10 rounders on the range.
10-round Glock 19 mags are junk.