I don’t dispute, just summarizing the long video as asked by Robbins.
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if you are asking me, 13, from a glock 23 gen 3. Winchester PDX1.
Dont want to say a whole lot. 4 targets, slide locked back after 3rd and 4th thankfully stopped.
I switched to a 9mm with gold dots, 124 grain plus P in a 19 round mag.
I’ve heard the G22-5’s are very nice shooters…
I want another .40 but what I really want is a .40 S&W Glock with the G23 slide and G22 frame, like the G45 9MM.
9MM, .45 ACP, .40, .357…throw in .38 Spl and all the others, and the reality is they ALL will suffice and they ALL fall short depending on the circumstances.
Aim and fire, and hit the correct areas with the proper bullet that will penetrate and you will have success. If success is not immediately achieved, because some creatures just don’t know when to quit, repeat!
I would also add 380 acp in the mix. I seen what a plus p 95 grain hollow point does. It will get the job done.
When you say that i feel like i might as well carry .45 acp 200 gr 18 BHN coated lead flat points at @1000 fps.
Mild recoil, consistent, straight holes, not as overpenetrating as FMJ RN.
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Sounds like a Dandy Round.
When I was a young guy there was a guy down that lived up the road who used to be a Cop. I got to know him and once in a while we would shooting and stuff.
Come to find out he used to be a Cop in Tucson and he worked Narcotics, that Dude had some stories. He was telling me about a round they had that sounded much like what you described, but in .38. He said the soft lead just expanded great and because it wasn’t jacketed and it was soft a .38 would come out as big as a nickle
That was my point.
9mm, 40, 45 and all the service calibers perform with similar success and failure rates. Don’t expect a one-shot stop, shoot until the threat stops. Know your weapon and train as much as possible.
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That would be great. The G45 is my favorite Glock. Can we ask for a similar configuration in 45 acp? 
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Yes, in the 1960’s i think, lead semi-wadcutter 158gr +P @900 fps started replacing LRN in .38 special. Anecdotally Police were mostly satisfied with it.
I’m not sure how medium antimony lead does vs windshields and car bodies with no copper / zinc jacket.
I beleive it was a Wad Cutter loaded backwards?
I don’t think so. But that has been done and actually works if pushed fast enough.
I don’t know that any ammo manufacturer would load a bullet backwards, but I have heard that some handloaders might have done that.
I think Ron3 might be referring to the LSWCHP (lead semi wadcutter hollow point) load, which is a 158 grain projectile loaded to +P pressures. I imagine that the lack of a jacket causes the lead to expand nicely at the proper FPS.
Sometimes called “the FBI load” it apparently does not equal the 125 grain .357 jacketed hollow point, but it has a reputation for getting the job done.
I keep these in my nightstand gun as it is a .38 special. I am fortunate to live in a low-crime area, and I am more concerned with theft than I am about getting into a gunfight. So, the nightstand gun is a surplus Taurus 82 (basically a clone of the S&W 10) that I paid 150 bucks for. If it gets stolen, I am not out much. If @$%# goes sideways I am pretty confident that the six-shooter can handle anything likely to pop up here in my piece of suburbia.
Yes, this was definatly handloaded ammo
The wad cutter was loaded backwards in the shell. The first I heard of it I was living in Arizona.
Yes, the .38 LSWCHP +P was popular but so was the +P SWC flat-point that preceded it.
I guess we are guilty of thread drift here - started off with .40 and now talking .38 Special.
But at least we are talking gun related stuff - after the last two years it is good to see frequent activity on the board again.
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I found out as you all know that even the “mighty” 45acp can fail. Which put me on the search for a better option, through the years things changed and Leighi Defense was invented, Bill Wilson found it performance in handgun hunting was the best thing he had seen. So he bought the company and move it was Pennsylvanian to Texas.
I used these rounds exclusively in 9mm and 357sig.
I am so happy with my MK3 firearms built Hi Power that I find that I am carrying this pistol more and more. My 357sig Glocks are become well maybe not safe queens they are just too ugly for that but they are sitting in the safe crying for attention.
Again the difference between 9mm and 40S&W is only a mm.
Well, 13% larger starting diameter plus 33% weight given a 124 gr 9x19 and 165 gr .40. Both at @1150 fps.
Depends if 2 more rounds per mag is important to you. (That’s the typical mag capacity difference)
Speaking of High Powers, i recently aquired one. Haven’t fired it yet. 1969 model.
Regarding Hi Powers and 40S&W. I am so happy that 40S&W was a fad for a decade because it gave us Hi Powers made specifically for the round.
My MK3 firearms Hi Power converted from 40 to 9mm is a dream to shoot. I really wish I had one of these back in the day. To me it carries nice but it is just a better shooter than the original Hi Power is.
The slide was beefed up for 40 and it has one more locking ridge on the barrel. Cylinder and Slide shop manager told me buy one and convert it to 9mm you will be happy. MK3 Firearms has a project pistol they built on a 40 S&W Hi Power for a client converted to 9mm and full auto. They have 40k full auto rounds through the pistol and it is as good as new they tell me. In the fall I am going to go visit them and see the pistol.
I have an old injury in my right wrist, that after 1 mag of 40S&W hurts like crazy, I think it has to do with the for lack of better word the frequency that the round delivers to my hand. What is crazy I don’t have the problem with 357sig, 10mm, 357 mag.
I experienced a weird, wrist-torquing recoil from a Beretta 96A1 .40.
It was so weird. .40 Glocks, Sig P226, Beretta PX4, S&W M&P, nor any other .40 did that to me. 180 gr was tolerable but 155’s intolerable. .40 Glocks get #2 for uncomfortable .40 recoil but they aren’t as bad as that Beretta 96. (Later .40 Glocks finally got a thicker slide)
My most pleasant .40 experience has been S&W M&P 2.0’s.