The Donald On guns/2A released.

He’s put out an official position paper:

PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Attempting to position himself as a staunch 2A supporter, which he’s clearly not always been. From his book The America We Deserve circa 2000, his position was:

“It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. After a tragedy like the massacre at Columbine High School, anyone could feel that it is too easy for Americans to get their hands on weapons. But nobody has a good solution. This is another issue where you see the extremes of the two existing major parties. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within seventy-two hours if a potential gun owner has a record.”

Compared to your classic anti gun types, not the worst, but still clueless. So has he simply changed his views over time or is he just pandering then and pandering now? I hope for the former but frankly feel it’s the likely the latter.

That’s one more reason to pass on the trumpster.

Yeah but now he is a born-again Republican. :lol:

Like Romney, who would change his positions as the political winds dictated? Maybe Trump has had time to think about, did a little research and genuinely changed his views on the issue. Or, he’s a pandering opportunist like the rest of them.

I don’t trust Trump one bit, as far as I’m concerned the only good thing about his POTUS run is he’s stirring the PC pot.

Trump is a salesman. He’s selling himself, so he’s saying what he thinks people want to hear. Nothing more, nothing less.

Exactly. The current WH occupant pretty much did the same thing and we see how the turned out.

I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within seventy-two hours if a potential gun owner has a record."
This exists already. I am an FFL and I almost exclusively use the E-Check online system for my NICS checks. I started using it because it has become faster than using the phone line, plus I can print out the proceed or deny information and attach it to the 4473. These buffoons need to stop talking about background checks. They exist, and they work just fine. I could forgive him on this one because not everyone knows how the system works.

I cannot forgive anyone who thinks an “assault” weapon ban of any sort will do anything positive.

See 'ya Trump.

Welp, there goes my support for him. I cannot believe even if he feels this way deep down, he’d actually take this position. Someone in his campaign must be high or something, that is not a position in line with “most Americans.” Universal background checks, waiting periods and banning “assault weapons” is going to sink his ship.

Well, he’s lost my vote.

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GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans.

Brink- did he update the page, or are you perpetrating a fraud?

It would seem that Trump is in strong opposition to the above…

Yep. Peanut Butter Plutonium.
My begrudging vote is GONE.

Any gun control is off the table for me BTDT. Nah…not all of us live in literal Tower.

Make sure to read the difference however. The link is his “new” position from his site positioning him as very pro 2A, and text above from his book circa 2000. So maybe he changed his mind. I don’t care if you support him per se, just didn’t want you to lose interest due to any confusion from what I posted. :cool:

Here’s his current 2A policy statement form his website:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:

Enforce The Laws On The Books

We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.

Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.

Fix Our Broken Mental Health System

Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.

All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.

And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.

We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.

Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners

GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.

BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.

NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.

Pay attention bro. His page linked is his new position which positions him as Mr Pro 2A. The quote posted was his position via his book circa 2000:

http://www.amazon.com/The-America-Deserve-Donald-Trump/dp/1580631312

Hence, he’s changed his positions to fit the political winds to garner support vs having a legit moral core per comments made here. He’s Romney with bad hair.

Or, maybe he’s actually changed his views. You can give him the benefit of the doubt on that as you wish sir.

Now thats funny…

Well thats what i get for not reading the op closely enough. I will give him the benefot of the doubt, and that he has genuinely changed his viewpoint in the last 15 years.

Charleton Heston was a pretty big proponent of tue GCA’68 and he later became the pres of the NRA. Cant always judge people by actions and opinions held many years prior.

No you really can’t…my views on some things have changed over the last 10 years. A lot of views are founded out of ignorance. If you are willing to listen, learn and perhaps be wrong, you will be surprised at how your views evolve.

Makes a HUGE difference, it’s what I explain to people who’ve never lived in a group think leftist area. He may or may not have even believed some of those left leaning views reported about Trump. There is a lot of social pressure to say and act a certain way, much of the behind the scenes deals Trump needed to schmooze, something that would have been difficult if not impossible if he’d come out as a conservative.

Even if he held some of those views, I’m very embarrassed to say this, but at one time I considered myself “pro gun” yet believed mandatory training was needed for someone to own a gun along with some other views that I’d like to punch my younger self in the face for… Group think in a far left area can absolutely brainwash someone & warp their views.