Teach Me About Pistol Red Dots

General Firearms Handguns - Semi Auto
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Rarely isn’t good enough. My point it that there’s NO WAY this is the pinnacle of pistol RDS. It will get GREAT.

There’s a mixture of RDS models that I’ve seen. I have not dog in the fight so to speak. And no one I shoot with runs junk stuff. I don’t have a list of which brands did what because I lose interest very quickly when the stuff doesn’t work… I go shoot something else.

I don’t know of any RDS runner who hasn’t don’t the diagnostic hunch over.

I use my rds as a charging handle and it’s never (in the 7 years I’ve used rds) lost zero.
I have physical reasons for doing that so I’m not sure if most people abuse their rds like I do or not.

I’d expect an RDS to stand up to that. They make lightning fast charging action.

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Glock MOS and FCD plate or ATEi milling if you really want that extra perfection. Both RM06 and Holosun 507s have been great for me for many years/over a year or two. Not that hard in 2022.

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Bingo!

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When I first saw the Leupold Delta Micro I thought it was some dorky shit, but seeing you enthusiastically endorse it in a few thread has me taking a second look at it. I’m curious what you think about how rugged it is, think it would survive doing a couple cartwheels on the asphalt and still keep chugging along or do you think it would kill it?

On the 509T…red or green?

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Moving forward I’m torn between this or either Agency Arms AOS or Unity ATOM

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Sage Dynamics beat up a Leupold Delta Micro and it kept going.

It has it’s own learning curve, but I love them.

509T I have them in red and green, I like the green better

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Don’t worry about window size. If the dot isn’t in the window, your irons wouldn’t be on target either.

One thing red dot sights immediately did for me was to show me how sloppy my draw was. A lot of dry fire solved that problem.

https://rumble.com/v1f0eq9-after-august-drill.-90-yards-on-the-timer.html

I posted this in another thread. There’s just a learning curve with dots. A good learning curve. Shooting red dots for the past 9 years made me a better iron sight shooter.

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Since 2013 I’ve trashed 5 RMRs. Trijicon replaced them for free or at a very acceptable cost. All Type 1s. No I didn’t abuse them, I just use my stuff. Since They were replaced with Type 2s I haven’t had any problems.

My gunsmith buddy related that I’m the only person he knows that killed RMRs….he knows I don’t abuse them. Then again, during the same time period, I wore through a factory connector on my G17. :laugh

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I have 10s of thousands of rounds on rmr and sro. Never had an issue with either outside of a screw breaking on my MOS. I recommend a milled slide.

I change batteries every 12-18 months and use the auto brightness models.

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Remember the “Armson OEG”? Occluded Eye Gunsight.
Worked surprisingly well for Fast/Coarse sight picture.

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A larger window size means that the dot is easier to find. Not only does this mean that you have more leeway with your draw, but also gives you visual feedback sooner during recoil and easier to find the dot during shooting on the move and target transitions.

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I’ve abused an RMR type 2 for years, and have a lot of rounds on a Holosun 507C-X2 with ACSS Vulcan reticle. Haven’t used the Leupold Delta Micro, but a buddy runs one and likes it. I’ve abused a few Vortex Venom red dot sights on multiple weapons and they’ve also held up great with a good field of view.

Holosun is putting out some good pistol red dot sights these days, and i especially like the ACSS vulcan reticle for faster dot acquisition in unconventional positions. I also like that the Holosun sights have the side opening battery compartment so there is no need to take the red dot off to change a battery. They are definitely innovating in the RDS space.

I’ve been running a Holosun 407K-X2 on my P365XL for a few months and like it, but debating picking up one of the new EPS carry RDS with enclosed emitter. I’ve gotten water and dirt inside the 407k emitter before and it can be problematic. I personally think small closed emitter pistol red dot sights are the future.

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I had a Glock 34 MOS and decided to try a red dot on it, went with Holosun 507c x2 because battery can be accessed from side (don’t have to remove dot) and solar back-up.
Took about 500-600 rounds for my speed with the dot to get sufficiently comparable to fixed sights for me to be comfortable carrying it.
The dot is increasingly advantageous for accuracy as distance increases, at 25 yards the dot is advantageous.
I’m a bit nearsighted, my glasses fuzz front sights but make the dot clear. (dot is a bit fuzzed without glasses)

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That’s not knowing how your optics works or how to use it. If t shuts off, you need to know that and address it. Many don’t. Use fine of them. If the battery dies, it’s your fault for not condition checking your weapon prior to use. Getting ready for the range? Check your optic. Getting ready to CCW? Check your optic. That’s not difficult.

If you have a crap optic, fix that. I have a 509t and RMR for duty use. They get checked every day when I load up. Same with pistol lights.

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I think muscle memory is dominant over visually trying to find the dot, so I disagree on that point. It does make a difference though in unconventional positions if you can’t get your head lined up perfectly, and of course a larger window also means seeing more of your target and what’s around it. So nothing too different from rifle RDS in any of those regards.

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Holosuns have negated that to a significant extent. So much so that anyone saying we’re not at an acceptable level of RDS features and reliability is actively fighting the concept IMO.

My primary gun has had an RM06 on it for many years. Because it’s tough and America. But that gun has been relatively unusable for a little over a month now because life happens and I haven’t been able to get to a range to re-zero after putting a new battery in. Happens to me a lot. The “shitty” Chinese dots I have not only have better reticles, but they reduce the speed at which the battery dies through solar panels and shake awake and remove the re-zero issue entirely because of the side loading battery tray.

I’ll happily support American made MRDS again, once they become relevant again. But people like you, that buy technology that is over a decade old and therefore tell the manufacturer that they don’t need to innovate or even keep pace with other manufacturers that innovate just because America, are a big part of the problem.

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The way I look at it is China has damn near destroyed our econemy, so I certainly will not willingly buy there stuff (sometimes its impossible not to).
Those that support them might get the next varient of the China virus named after them.

I have three rm06 and two RMRcc with 3.25 reticle, and not once have I been in the position of “my gun is unuseable”, since I bought the first optic rm01 back in 2015.

I’m not the smartest guy in the world, how is it I say changing a battery without the gun being a brick is so easy a monkey can do it and others whine constantly about it?

Would a tray sliding out the side be better, certainly but since the design of the Trijicon sight is based around the battery, I go with what works. Its US made and it takes effort to break them, so if I’m the problem, so be it.
I still tell the guys on the line with broke holosun, that its karma for supporting a shithole country.
Every forum I’ve ever looked at has threads with broke holosun about 4 to 1 over broke Trijicon.

Again with those odds I’ll keep being the problem.
Fancy technology that breaks more often isn’t better in my opinion.

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From what I understand the Glock MOS system isn’t that good. The plate bolts to the slide and the optic bolts to the plate. But the plate is what? 0.100" thick? Is that really enough thread engagement? I don’t know.

I have two RMR RM07s, one on a Zev and one on an M&P9 CORE, both have been dead nuts reliable.

I am running a Holosun 407K on my G48 MOS summer carry with an CH Precision adapter plate since the gun is cut for the RMS-C.

I also have a 507 and a couple 403s. All have been very reliable thus far. I like that I don’t have to take the Holosun optics off to change the battery.

It took time to get used to finding the dot but once you do, you won’t want to go back to irons. Scott Jedlinski of Modern Samurai Project has an excellent video on his YT channel helping explain how to find the dot more readily when drawing. It’s really good.

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Well bud, that doesn’t seem like the case in this thread.

I said relatively unusable, meaning the gun doesn’t have a zero’d dot because I haven’t been able to get to the range to zero after replacing the battery. Yes, it’s always been close. No, that’s not good enough for me. I wish my life was so predictable and routine that it didn’t take me weeks to get to the range sometimes but that’s not how mine is.

Also, China has been a problem well before Covid and if you’re just now suddenly anti-China, it’s pathetic virtue signaling at best. Plus, not buying a $300 red dot from a Chinese company really isn’t hurting then as much as you apparently think. Based on how much better I shoot a dot than an iron sight gun, not having a dot on my pistol hurts me more than China not getting my $300. Again, if all aspects of the dot itself were equal, I’d buy American. But the current Holosuns are straight up embarrassing most American made dots in many ways.

Finally, the “fancy technology” and general tone of your posts are laughably ironic because of your username. Clearly, you like old gen, outdated things. That’s great for you, but we’re more than half way through 2022 and it of the mindset that the RMR that was introduced in 2009 has been surpassed.

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Look; a monkey can place an slide in a vice mounted to say a saw house X yards from say a garage door that you made a mark on. Remove the sight change the battery, remount, adj the dot so its back on the dot you previously marked and there is your zero, 5 minutes max using anything most men already has available, or continue to be a whiner about how hard it is.
FFS it really is that easy.

I live twenty miles from Trijicon and have bought rmr’s since 2015 and their sights for numerous years before that, so virtue signaling, my ass. It’s keeping people in my area/country working, sorry you don’t think that is important.

If you want to support China with the millions of others folks, carry on. I haven’t voluntarily been that guy for some time.

I mentioned your opportunity to be named as the next varient because that is current news, I thought that was obvious but on a forum/typed communication it isn’t always, so that is my fault, I apologize.

Remember the holosun patent county is Chinese that has to pay the CCP, so your $300 actually does matter along with the other people willing to support them.

Oh BTW: not many people are running 2009 RMR’s anymore, I sold the two gen one sights I had for the newer model.
I couldn’t care any less about solar panels, different colors, or whatever gimmick they get people to buy their product, my type 2 rmr’s haven’t failed me yet, so why would I support a shithole country over local people?

We can piss on each others leg all day, so I’m done here. I say don’t support China, you disagree, but I guarantee you won’t change my mind, nor will I change yours so on this subject, we are done.