I’ve never seen anything like this? It looks like those Christmas houses where you open the windows and doors to get at chocolates.
Police said criminal charges are pending against Seacat, 33, of Denver.
The suspect has an 8 page rap sheet in Colorado, which includes arrests for aggravated motor vehicle theft, dangerous drug distribution, burglary, theft, forgery and harassment.
I wish they put as much effort into keeping him in jail as they do putting him in jail.
Similar thing happened here not too long ago. SWAT shows up to this guys house, supposed “stand off” after several hours, they break windows and know down the door: no one home :sarcastic:
Did they knock on the door? Really, how did they KNOW the suspect was inside? What led them to believe it was a standoff? This is the stuff that makes LE look bad, I don’t know if there is more dumb stuff being done, or whether it is just being reported more. I hope it is the latter.
I think the problem was the ‘got to do it now’ instinct so many of us have.
Beyond that, I guess Mr. Leah(?) has never had the experience of somebody not coming out after being exposed to CS and the team having to enter anyways. A proper CS deployment involves adjacent areas before you deliver agent to the suspect location, so you are going to get the whole house anyways.
Myself, I’m a fan of negotiate until it is apparent he isn’t going to come out, then use pyro CS in a frame dwelling if it is confirmed that the armed suspect is the only one there - he comes out or burns in the fire. Why risk an officer’s life on entry to prevent property damage? The house can, and will be rebuilt.
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So breaching and shooting is what, then?
They sure serve and protect the shit out if that place.
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Sledgehammer, meet Tack.
Amateur hour in CO.
Before we hang the police, I would like to know more about what and how much was actually used in the way of irritants and distraction devices.
I saw a residence look something like that once. One flash bang went through a window and the house went up. The remnants of a meth lab were found inside the house.
Read for yourself:sarcastic:
Here the link:
http://m.mrt.com/news/top_stories/article_8326ec8a-ffc1-11e4-8728-934b069560a9.html?mode=jqm
Thats a fail. Do they really blow holes in the roof now?
davidjinks - I’m the first one in line to tell the ‘I’m going home and the end of every shift, no matter what’ bunch that the job they chose is not one that is conducive to that mindset and that maybe they should consider working in a nursery (trees and plants) if they want that security.
However, I’m also fairly pragmatic, live is full of choices, and officers are entitled to a reasonable expectation of safety in the performance of their duties - if you want I can show you the court cases. IF you had read my post with any degree of understanding you might have discerned that I said ‘after negotiating until it is apparent he isn’t coming out.’ As I said, life is full of choices, if you insert CS into the residence, he has the choice to stay or leave, hopefully spurred by the effects of the CS he will leave. If he chooses to stay and the residence catches fire, hopefully that will drive him out, if he decides to stay, he has chosen his path.
In terms of Burning someone alive because you can’t nut up and do the job you volunteered to do… in the example we are talking about, there was an armed man in the house, no hostages, no uninvolved innocents. As I said, I would have locked down the place and talked to the guy until I was convinced I wasn’t going to be able to get him out. When that conclusion was reached I would do everything in my power to resolve the situation without having to send a team into the residence. As I said, why risk life to prevent property damage?
In terms of ‘nutting up and doing the job you volunteered to do’ we train and expect today’s officers to go unwaveringly into active shooter situations with little or no backup when innocent lives are being threatened, TAC teams train for the same evolution in hostage rescue. Nutting up and entering to prevent someone’s ‘1,600sf, SL, 4br, 2.5bth, AG, POOL, $250,000’ is fracking stupid.
Almost 10 years ago , a guy named Scott Cheever shot one of my good friends in the face killing him. After killing Sheriff Matt Samuels, Cheever stayed in the house in which the killing had taken place, shooting at officers as they tried to render aid to Matt and remove him from the scene. The other 4 occupants of the residence left the residence and were arrested. Knowing that Cheever was still in the house, in my view, it was sheer lack of tactical acumen that caused a tac team to attempt entry to arrest Cheever. He was arrested after their shield men took numerous rounds on their shields. You really think that is what cops sign on to do, put the felon and the structure he is in before them and their families well-being?
Poor planning IMO. They said they had a “reliable” source saying he was inside. Time for a new source. :blink:
So SWAT destroys a house because a criminal holed up there, and it’s on the homeowner’s insurance? Good to know.
Honestly, they should pay for their mess. Regardless of who was in there, its still property damage. Like the car ramrod cop who destroyed that mailbox but got the perp. PD pay for that damage? Id like to know that.
PDs will pay for that. No way an insurance company is going to just roll over and take that.
Only the Federal Gubment can save us!
Hmm. Hopefully!
Oh lawd! :rolleyes:
I spit purple drank all over my keyboard. I demand you give me yours. Because Justice!
Judging from the holes in the building, I’d say that SWAT has Bushmasters…chambered in 20mm.