Surefire Suppressor Tough as F***

Last Saturday I went to my outdoor range and fired close to 2100 rounds thru my Surefire Mini suppressor. At the end of the session the suppressor would not come off. Believe me I tried everything…it was unbelievable. Yes I put even more rounds through it to try and heat it up…no success. However due to operators error, I forgot to tighten the lock ring on my final attempt and fired a MK262 thru it…the can flew 25 yards, hit the concrete, and landed in the mud. My first thought was “Shit I am out a grand.” However when I retrieved the mini it was A-ok. Had minor scratches but other than that no problems.

Some people say that Surefire cans are overpriced and aren’t as quiet as the competitions, but I had a first hand experience and to an extent understand why SOCOM chose Surefire. BZ Surefire.

Take this for what its worth.

That’s one way to do it. It’s even in the KAC manual I’m told.

Great cans.

In particular I like how they are meant to put baffle strike bullets out the muzzle instead of the side.

This is correct. There are instructions in the KAC manual on removing the NT4 by “shooting” it off.

Is this the new latch that locks onto the teeth integral to the can, or old latch that locks onto the teeth on the mount?

ETA: Just post-stalked you and found the answer. Interesting that you had such issue with the new style.

What the muther Fudge? :blink:

I might have that amount of ammo through my can that I’ve owned for 3 plus years.

Save me your brass pile! :eek:

I’ve always thought that was interesting.

TBH. SureFire, and KAC cans sound exactly the same as every other can.

I shot SF and the NT4 side by side. Preferred to KAC tone but couldn’t hear a difference in sound.

Too bad it was not on camera

How would that work?

Seems to me heating expands metal and makes things tighter not looser. I know I have to wait for my cans to “cool off” sometimes.

And can anyone show me the “shoot it off” part of the manual? I’ve never even heard of something like that. How the hell do you avoid baffle strikes?

The bullet at 2800 fps passes the can before the gas can make it accelerate.

markm- I am actually going on a private shoot on Oct 1st, I will have to police my brass, If you want I will send it to you if you cover shipping. I will shoot 1000 rounds of Priv M193 and 500 MK262. I can not guarantee I’ll get all 1500 but I can get close. PM me if your interested.

steyr- In the Surefire instructions it says, “If possible, the suppressor should be removed and re-installed while still slightly warm to prevent carbon fouling from solidifying as the unit cools, making later removal more difficult.” I do not follow your logic in metal expanding, wouldn’t expanding metal loosen instead of tighten? Also I did not know you could shoot of the suppressor, as there is no mention of that in my version of the manual.

Using gas pressure to remove the suppressor may work, as long as the can is still seated and aligned properly, but I certainly wouldn’t be comfortable doing it myself.

If that really is documented by the manufacturer as an acceptable means of getting the can free from the mount, I would imagine they also advise only resorting to this in an emergency. That is a potentially very dangerous situation.

I can accept the math but I’ve seen too many struck baffles to be that brave.

Interesting, I suppose the carbon fouling angle makes sense. It has been my experience that expanding metal binds tighter. This is why some “hot” machine guns lock up.

I can see the thin metal of the suppressor heating up faster than the barrel. A suppressor gets red hot fairly quick. A barrel or muzzle device takes a while.
Therefore the suppressor will expand more than the muzzle device mount, thus loosing it.

Makes sense to me.

I think I would spend about a week trying more conventional ways of getting it off.
Then call surefire and see what they have to say before I tried to shoot it off and risk $1200 and a 7 month wait.

I don’t have a SF manual, but here is the similar instructions in the KAC NT-4 manual-

“Point the weapon towards the enemy or in an otherwise safe direction”

Did they just throw this silencer at us?!

I’d like to see haji try to pick that thing up after a good firefight…

ha ha:

Anyone know the reason to point the magazine upward?

I’m guessing the latch has something to do with it.