I need advice. I want a suppressor ready pistol that is also from the factory optic ready. I have gotten lost in the internet searches on this topic:
45 acp vs 9mm. Supposedly 9mm is still quiter even with subsonic 45 acp the norm. I would buy either one. I can see the logic in going 45 acp as that suppressor could also be used on the smaller bore size.
Hammer fired vs striker. The hammer fired pistols are quieter as they unlock slower.
Tilt barrel vs 1911 vs beretta vs fixed barrel. Oh boy!! Lots of confusion. Need a booster on 1911 and tilt barrel. Fixed barrel and beretta donāt need a Nielsen device.
This pistol and suppressor combination will likely be a range toy. My top contenders are:
SW MP 2.0 metal
Springfield Armory Operator
Beretta M9A4
My confession:
I am a Glock guy. EDC G30 or G17 both with optics. I donāt want to compromise my carry pistols with aftermarket internal parts. I demand reliability. I like the low bore height of the Glock. The Beretta optics system looks terrible and vulnerable. The beretta pistols have been rife with reports of poor QC. But, the Beretta is constantly considered the best suppressor host. I donāt own a 1911. The Springfield would satisfy that. The SW MP is by far the most affordable at half the cost of the other 2ā¦.
Are there other options out there that I should look at? CZ, HKā¦..
Iād consider the 2.0 M&P metal in 9x19 (147 gr or heavier bullets) or in .40. (165 and heavier standard practice ammo always subsonic)
Or a 2.0 M&P .45 as itās also available threaded, with suppressor sights, and optic ready. I have one, itās excellent. While i have suppressors i donāt in .45, yet.
Iād buy another G17 or 30 and swap in a threaded barrel, you already have the magazines and range time will reinforce training with your carry pistol.
Iād stick with Glocks if you already run them. Iād probably run a Glock in whatever double stack 9mm flavor you prefer.
1911s are already a world of their own, donāt go down that path unless you want to spend exorbitant amounts of cash and feel like becoming a gunsmith. Suppressing them shortens their component service life in an already maintenance heavy platform.
I like Berettas myself. I have a lot of time on them, initially because I had to, and later for fun. But I wouldnāt have one if I hadnāt been issued one. Perhaps one of the Beretta guys can chime in on suppressing them.
Beretta. Be aware though that you may still need a booster. So pick a can that will accept one, or get one that is ultra light so you can be sure that you donāt need one. Ecco, TBAC, and SiCo probably have what you need. You already know the optic will sit very high, so donāt worry about the can diameter.
My usual host is a Glock, but be aware that they may be more finicky with a can. I use a .40 modelās spring in my host to clean that up. Theyāre fine, though. I use a Glock simply because itās what I carry and use at work. Sounds like you may have the same or similar reason.
I know very little about the 1911 option and nothing about the Smiff.
Yes on the 9mm. Less powder and smaller hole in the baffle. Donāt get caught up in the ābut .45 is natively subsonicā propaganda. 9mm is also subsonic. Just buy 147gr for cheap subs. Itās cheaper than 230gr ball and just as available.
Every 9mm suppressed chimp that comes out with us is too lazy or cheap or stupid to get the 147s. Iām not saying he should buy the 45 or that youāre wrong at all.
But Iāll never understand why many guys buy the suppressor and rip 115 garbage through it. At least half of the cool factor is lost with supersonic ammo.
When I moved to an NFA friendly state a went on a buying spree. I had zero experience.
I already had an H&K Mark 23. Reading how āversatileā a 45 can is it seemed a no brainer for the collection.
I bought an AAC Tirant 45m and also a Tirant9m because Iām really a 9mm glock guy.
the 45 can was such a huge disappoint and so loud. Its also comically long. I honestly wouldnāt bother if I had it to do again.
I liked the 9mm so much I bought a second 9mm can. My host gun is a Glock 17 with a factory threaded barrel. I buy subs because my IQ is over two digits.
.32 is even quieter. A Beretta Cheetah has a fixed barrel, no booster.
Lower pressure, less powder, all subsonic.
Less capability of course.
Iāve done this and like it, but i wish i could mount an optic on it. I know about the 80x, but i donāt care for all of the changes they made.
I have a threaded M&P 2.0 .45 w/optic but havenāt put a can on it yet. Mainly for reasons others have stated. Itās not going to be impressively quiet. (I donāt think a 9x19 pistol is, either.)
You should, the only Glock Iāve ever had an issue with using a can with was my Zev custom before I rid myself of that waste of money. All factory Glocks (even the G44 lol) that I own run perfectly with all of the cans I have.
When I say Glocks may be finicky, I mean that G19s sometimes seem overboosted and/or have a hitch right as they return to battery, if you hold the trigger to the rear. It seems to vary a bit between cans and guns (or aftermarket barrels, maybe?), but seems common. Several of my friends have reported the same.
Not hard problems to solve if you have them, and I donāt think anyone is guaranteed to experience it.
My G44 is reliable suppressed, but started blowing debris back in my face. Probably just needs a new recoil spring to stay āclosedā longer, but the one in it is not exactly a huge round count.
Stock connectors in your 19ās with the hitch?
The hitch before lock up with trigger held to the rear is sounds similar to something I have noticed with non-suppressed Glocks and some connectors with a bend that apparently doesnāt play optimally with the other parts.
Reliability is there, but definitely not as smooth as getting the bend to a sweet spot.
Yes, stock connector in my G19 host. Not sure about any of my friendsāā¦I know some have aftermarket triggers. Seems worse with front-heavy cans. Might not help that the gun had several thousands of rounds through it before I bought a threaded barrel and pistol can.
Solved with a factory G23 spring.
Sometimes my G44 spits more than other times. I assume itās ammo lot related and just always wear cheap eye-pro. I can say for sure the spring lasts a really long time. No idea on count.
Yes, stock connector in my G19 host. Not sure about any of my friendsāā¦I know some have aftermarket triggers. Seems worse with front-heavy cans. Might not help that the gun had several thousands of rounds through it before I bought a threaded barrel and pistol can.
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I canāt think of any reason why a can would matter, but I stuck an NY1 spring plus a Ghost 3.5 in to a Gen 3 or 4 19 and noticed the not so smooth final lock up. Got curious and took a closer look at the stock connector(that was smooth) and noticed it had a slight curve(or more bends than 1 at the leg stuck in to the housing) to it beyond the simple bent angle I mimicked in to the Ghost. Once I worked that in to the Ghost connector the hitch disappeared.
Mine went from none with can on to almost every shot with can on and no debris without the can. Several types of the same ammo before and after so leaning towards a Monday or Friday recoil spring.
Always been big on eye pro with .22lr and even more so after having 1 or 2 pop out of the chamber with a Ceiner adapter.