Precision Armament EFAB vs. 'New' AFAB Hybrid Muzzle Brake???

AR/M4 AR General Discussion
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So I am wanting a brake that is not loud like a traditional muzzle brake sold today (was looking at Lantac Dragon).

I am looking to do one thing and one thing only … Cut Down On Felt Recoil and Muzzle Rise etc. when shooting down my scope so I can see if I hit my bullseye is all!

I have a BCM 16" Mid-Length ELW with supplied Mod0 Compensator … I notice when I acquire my target through my 14x scope and I shoot … I lose sight of the target for a second to recoil and rise and I cannot tell if I hit the 3" steel bullseye target in the center of my 10" target At All … The recoil and rise makes me lose sight for a second so I am not sure where I hit at all most shots.

SO I would like some sort of muzzle brake to reduce this and have a better chance at cutting down this recoil to see my target when I shoot.

BUT I Do Not want something ridiculously loud and obnoxious like most ALL standard side ported muzzle brakes seem to be (For myself and people around me as well … not a fan of those loud brakes at all)

SO I had asked in another thread what should I be looking at that is a hybrid brake that gives me the reduced felt recoil and climb But at the same time is not loud to to much louder then the standard A2 or current BMC Mod0 compensator.

The choice I ended up with was the EFAB.

So in researching I see they started with the AFAB mini … then released a improved version somewhat called the EFAB and is great for more SBR’s … BUT now they have a “New” AFAB (not mini) brake that they say takes the original AFAB concept and design and improves upon it with what they learned designing the EFAB … SO I would think though the New AFAB may not be light years better or anything, but for my non-sbr 16" Mid-Length ELW BMC barrel AR that the new AFAB would be a perfect choice for my needs and set-up right?

I am Not looking for the flash hider part at all … so that doesn’t matter between the two to me at all.

The ONLY thing I want is the best reduced felt recoil while leaving the sound and blast to a minimal average A2 sound (if it’s a bit more I am fine with that… nothing insane you known).

Plus the $40+ dollar savings is nice as well between the two, which could go towards the kinda dumb but I’m sure better accu-washer allignment system they say you must buy along with this (another $25 gone).
And also for my pickyness and how I like these to “look” nice … I dig the AFAB looks Much more the EFAB, so that is a plus as well for me along with the price tag.
And Also I think the EFAB is larger in diameter to help with the SBR’s and I would like a slimmer sleeker brake as well if possible (and with a 16" Middy I don’t think I need that large diameter).

SO In Closing … My question is How does the current EFAB compare now with the “Brand New” All New AFAB model hybrid brake for MY current needs and set-up???

Thanks so much for all the help guys!

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I don’t think anyone can answer that aside from the manufacturer. Very few people have either of these brakes. Probably no one has used zero.

Additionally, I just want to opine that “tactical compensators” have officially gone full retard. Does the EFAB have biohazard logos as the ports? Good grief…

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So, you started two threads on this same topic.

I guess the best advice is to just pick one. Trial and error is generally unavoidable in this situation.

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Those are flux capacitors.
Anyhow as far as hybrid devices go, they supposedly don’t do poorly. TTAG had a test where they at least attempted to quantify differences in performance, similar to the Tuohy shootout, using a light meter in an indoor range.

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Did you see the shootout results?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/jeremy-s/ar-15-muzzle-brake-shootout-2/

The winner (Precision Armament M4-72) of the shootout report says it doesn’t really create too obnoxious of a concussion, unlike most. Plus it will save you even more money @$90.

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Paging Dr. BufordTJustice.

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I haven’t shot the AFAB 5.56 (the new version). I have owned several A2’s, PWS FSC556, AFAB mini, the Lantac dragon (a flame thrower depending on the ammo), and now the EFAB. I can’t opine on the difference between the EFAB and new AFAB 5.56. However, I’d imagine the AFAB would be exactly what you’re looking for. No guarantees though as I have no first hand experience with the new AFAB.

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I lucked out and found a used VG6 Epsilon long before that test showed how well it worked. And its light too.

That said, my bud bought the M4-72 and the thing blows your hair back when you shoot it! I wasn’t expecting that on an 18.

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Not to pick a fight, but it’s the first muzzle device to have equal or less flash than an A2 (less on an SBR), recoil reduction better than a battlecomp (neck and neck with a KAC MAMS), and blast that is barely worse than an A2 even when indoors.

If you don’t like the aesthetic, great. I’d avoid slighting the engineering though.

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Really? Not the same topic at all

I wanted to get a consensus in my first thread what most would recommend for my needs and what I was looking for … Wanted to know what was the best brake was that wasn’t loud as hell was all … That was an open question looking for many different recommendations not anything specific to make or model like this thread.

Once I seen the EFAB was really recommended I came across the AFAB new model after research and wanted to find out about these two brakes Alone and how they compare (especially since most info is on the AFAB-Mini and not the new AFAB (non-mini), nothing else.

But thanks for the reply I guess. :rolleyes:

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Thanks for info … I was hoping to get a reply from you as I read through your couple EFAB threads before posting this question.

I am not sure th major difference between the original ATAB-Mini and the new one but since you had the AFAB-Mini and also the EFAB how do they compare?

Would I see a benefit with my setup and needs in going EFAB over the AFAB?

Seems the AFAB is meant more for 16"+ rigs like mine and EFAB more for SBR’s.

Just trying to see if there is any justification in spending the extra $40-50 is all.

Thanks a million for all the help and replies. :slight_smile:

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The EFAB has slightly less blast, is more neutral (AFAB mini had slight muzzle dip in fast strings of fire on my Vltor A5 equipped gun, but not on any others), and creates less additional gas system pressure. The AFAB mini created higher BCG velocities, as do virtually all brakes/comps that have an expansion chamber (battlecomp, dynacomp, Griffin M4SD II, etc.), while the EFAB created no discernible increase in gas system pressure.

Honestly, I think the AFAB 5.56 is right for you. I don’t think you’ll benefit from the more expensive EFAB.

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Then this thread is moot as the OP lives in California and cannot use a flash hider.

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The ATF has not ruled it as a flash hider.

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And that’s great! Until they do, then you’re out $160…unless you’re the test case.

http://precisionarmament.com/product/efab-hybrid-muzzle-brake/

Combines superior muzzle control with effective flash suppression even on barrels as short as 10 inches.

I mean, hell, the name of the product is the “Enhanced Flash Arresting Brake” and with adverts such as this:

I can’t imagine it being a very safe choice for those in unfriendly states.

Additionally, California has a state law regarding flash suppressors and the ATF’s opinion means diddly.

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Horseshit. Do you think CA ARs can’t have pistol grips too?

Trust me, those are NOT fun to be next to. I bought one for my friend for his birthday since he wanted a brake.

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I have no problem in buying this … I hate this place with a purple passion but this type of brake will be just fine to use in CA.

I have confirmed with Precision Armament the model numbers on these as well … I wanted to make sure when I ordered it from Brownells I got the “new” AFAB and not the old.

The part# on Brownells site is correct but the title and description still says AFAB-Mini and has old reviews etc.

The old AFAB Mini is A04422
The new AFAB os A04424

I think I have decided to go with the AFAB for my set-up and needs … like Buford said the extra price is really not gonna be worth it .,… the AFAB should give me just about everything I’m looking for.

Just wish I did not have to use and buy these damn Accu-washers from PA … I really do not want to spend $25 more you know.

But I guess to find the correct size for my BCM ELW 16" barrel I need to buy the kit and find out which one fits.

Any info on how these accu-washers work and also how hard the install is???

I am 100% new to brakes and have never installed them or anything … the accu-washer talk about degrees and indexing and I have ZERO clue what any of that mean.

Any help and suggestions on all of this and install would be greatly appreciated. :slight_smile:

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PM me. I’ll walk you through it. It’s far easier than you think. :slight_smile:

It’s WAY easier than using a crush washer.

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I have both the old and new. Feels the same to me. Both rifles are 16" mid but different buffer system.
Using the accu-washer is easy. Just follow the direction. It’s a trial and error but no big deal.

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Awesome … thanks for the offer to help Buford … that is greatly appreciated (and will save me money as well so I don’t have pay a local gunsmith to do it correctly for me if possible)