Hey question for ya guys. Recently i did a job for a guy and he wants to trade me either a POF P415 or an ACR Basic for the work. Both are NIB, he says he just collects guns and never fires them so who knows. But the question is which one would be the better choice? I’m not very familiar with the POF rifles, and the ACR is relatively new on the market. So any pros or cons or suggestions would be awesome!
I don’t own either, but I have seen quite a few POFs shit the bed at a carbine course, becoming jammamatics. Several members own the ACR, but none have recorded anything negative, other than being way heavier than the typical M4 type platform we are accustom to.
POF P415 isnt that light either around 8 lbs according to their website
ACR stocks, rails, handguards are available now from Bushy so you can change that Basic to a folder easily. What color ACR is he offering?
Yeah i was looking online at the accessories and the folder is only 150, thats pretty good considering magpul is making it. And its a Black ACR.
Go for the ACR.
I do not own either. I have put about 500 rounds down range with his POF. I like the goodies that come with it right out of the box. I’ve only handle the ACR in stores, but have liked it from the get go. I like that BM is offering the folder stock now. The future will hold more for the ACR.
If I had to pick it would be the ACR.
ACR all the way, I know a few guys who bought the POF and they are unhappy with them, the 2 biggest complaints I have heard are they are heavy and bulkey even in the short barrel version
If it has to be either of those two, I’d get the ACR hands down without any question… seriously, get the ACR.
Now if the other blaster was a BCM middy or a Noveske, the decision would be a bit tougher and I’d start asking you some questions as to your needs, what you own already, etc… But going up against a POF, the ACR will win every time for me.
Hope you enjoy whatever you choose:)
ACR
So shoot it, if it doesn’t tickle your fancy, sell it. There is no shortage of potential ACR buyers.
I’d just make sure that the resale value (not MSRP) of either is equal to the value of the work you did.
True dat!
ACR.
BTW, does anyone know anything about a POF barrel that is being tested or possibly already in use by tier one units? I was surprised when I heard about it, and suspected that my source may have been mistaken. He didn’t mention anything about POF uppers, just a special barrel that he called "POF teflon barrel.
Sweet i think i’ll go ACR then, thanks for everyone’s opinions! And eventually i’ll get a Noveske, but i guess my daniel defense will have to do for now, but i have a feeling it might be collecting dust for a couple months while i play with my new toy.
neither.
At this point, neither.
If I absolutely had to choose one, it would be the ACR at this time.
After the ACR get’s a little more mileage, track record and SBR barrels, I might be more interested in it.
neither…
choice c: kac sr-15
choice d: colt 6920, a good optic, and some ammo.
ACR
I’m havin fun with mine.
I really don’t understand the dislike for POF.
I recently picked up a used 11.5" upper. Its groups are on par with my BCM 11.5" BFH barrel, and while I haven’t put it through any serious abuse- yet- it is not at all finnicky with buffers and springs like my Noveske 12.5".
Because a new company is often haunted by their early failures and poor reception in the shooting community. The early POFs were know to fail under stress. They were jokenly referred to as POS rather than POF.
Today, POF seems to be obsessed with heat reduction, to the point that ergonomics and weight suffer. Personally, I dislike how the large round hand guards feel. I will take thin and hot over big and cold any day, because I know that while heat is an issue, it is not a game killer.
You spelled it out yourself…you havent put the rifle through serious abuse.
Alot of people have seen these rifles shit the bed at high round count classes, myself included.
They’re also heavy, have a bunch of proprietary parts, the integrated rail systems are horrifically huge and uncomfortable (subjective observation) and they’re not exactly a soft recoiling AR.
How exactly did they soil the bed? Did parts break? I was at a VTAC class, and saw a Noveske, LWRC, and Bushmaster all choke. All the S&W rifles ran great. Does that mean that Noveskes and LWRCs suck and M&P rifles are king of the hill? (not trying to be a smart ass, just an observation)
The previous owner of the upper said he had some initial problems but once POF did something with the chamber it’s run like a champ.
As for recoil, throw a Sprinco Red spring and H3 buffer in there, and there’s virtually no difference in recoil between my 11.5" and a 16" midlength. No problems so far with short stroking or failing to lock back. Time will tell…and if anyone can cause an AR to malfunction, it’s me.
I would agree that the fixation on heat reduction may be a bit too much.