Seems like real innovation taking place there. Whether it’s fixing a problem that does not exist, can’t say.
https://goodladunscripted.com/2025/09/30/introducing-the-dragon-by-rideout-arsenal/
I was going to say… it looks like the Alien, but he had one to compare it to.
My disappointment is that all these interesting ideas are coming in the most un-interesting caliber there is. 9mm.
I hope that the shooting world sheep graze their way back into more powerful duty cartridges again as soon as possible. These cool designs are helping to shoot a weak round rapidly.
I’d love the ideas to be applied to 40 and 357 sig, or even 45 or 10 millie.
Damn, at $5500 y’all have fun but I’m out.
Yes, I know, R&D costs money. Thing is muzzle flip doesn’t really bother me that much. That’s a lot of extra cash to maybe shave a very marginal fraction of a second off your split time.
Agree and there are a lot of soft shooting guns comped/ported/non for <$3000.
I still love innovation in other types of locking systems in handguns as if done well result in some pretty interesting stuff.
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Why? 9MM is dirt cheap compared to any other caliber. And If we need “power” we make the jump right to 10MM. Why used those usless calibers like 40 short and wobbly, 357 shit or 45 aarp when 9mm is close enough, cheaper and holds more ammo?
Yea, I just saw that thing pop up on youtube this past week. Very interesting. Yes, expensive, but not near Alien expensive.
The modularity and simple takedown is pretty damn impressive. 1911 style trigger. Low muzzle flip, delayed blowback, stationary red dot with modular mounting system that works like an AR charging handle. All really cool qualities.
I wonder if these companies ever thought to go the Glock way of thinking and sell it cheap, get the contracts and become a household name. That guarantees longevity. Being pricey and innovative only lasts until the next cool, innovation comes along.
Agreed. 9mm focus makes sense, fine by me.
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Will, Seems like a lot of companies are realizing that. most are dropping 40’s and 357 sig. Some even dropped the 45, keeping only the the CA compliant models.
I wouldn’t look at what companies are doing per se as they care about sales and market share and the like, but terminal ballistics testing of modern ammo, and the reality that all modern rnds in common duty loads are poor man stoppers. On the balance, when you factor performance, recoil, capacity, modern bullet design, etc, 9mm comes out a good choice for most. I always viewed .40 and .357 Sig solutions in search of a problem myself. I can see the value of owning a 10mm for some specific applications. Finally, if one has invested in (fill in caliber here) and shoots it well, then no reason to change it in my non BTDT view.
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These days $3000-$6000 pistols are very common. I’d buy one if I REALLY liked it.
But NO FUUUHCKING WAY is anything chambered in 9mm ParaWeakness worth over a couple thowie.
You better bring a real duty caliber for that kind of cash.
Mark, Why would they make it in dying calibers, specially since 9mm has most the sales.
will, 100% agree with you. All pistol rounds suck, so why limit capacity and ammo cost for almost zero benefits besides extending the length of someone’s member, because the only thing it does. I only run 9mm and use 10MM for a few weeks out of the year when black bears are cranky.
I personally seen what 40 and 9mm does to someone weighing 200ish pounds. the 9mm performed better in all 3 incidents.
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I get that manufacturers cater to the demand. My perspective comes from the countless body cam videos showing 9mm’s PATHETIC performance. I started carry in the days where Phx and Mesa PD used to kill the shit out of criminals with the G22.
My kid is always showing me the latest body cams, and just last week this cop dumped 2 into center mass on some ghetto asshole at like 2 or 3 yards. Nada! He had to dump one into the guys head to get him to fall. Many of the 9mm wounds are eventually fatal, but the round does not stop immediate threats effectively in a consistent manner. LE shootings are commonly becoming Mag Dumps because of this.
There’s an epidemic of brainwashing that has people saying modern bullet designs bypass simple laws of physics and only shot placement counts.
9mm is a gamer round for the 2011 competitors and the very bare minimum caliber that someone should carry. It’s the lazy/easy button for departments to get less than stellar officers qualified quickly. I don’t do the bare minimum in anything in life.
I see you drink the cool aid. Do you have any other info or details on the body cam footage? What type of bullet were they using? There is a HUGE difference between 30 year old hydrashocks and some new pdx1 plus P
World is full of confirmed stories of people shot many times with all manner of common duty loads, don’t stop fighting until someone with long gun shows up and puts the goblin down. That’s well established, easy to look up. Shot 15 times with modern .45 JHP, still draws his gun and returns fire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vViw80If73k
Everyone who carries a handgun, the seminal document to read is via FBI:
Exactly, I wonder if that was the same thing I read about after it happened. I also seen people get KIA’d from one shot from a 9x18 makarov.
Famous story is the SC trooper that shot a biker with 5 rnds of .357 mag from his Colt python center mass, and the biker returned fire with a .22, and killed the trooper. The biker lived.
I had a ER doc tell me .25 was a good choice for SD because he saw so many dead guys shot with .25. 
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5 rounds from a 357 mag is NUTS. But perfect example.
I heard that as well, but it was for the 380 and not 25.
Same type of attitude applies with deer hunters, people say you need a 300 ultra super duper mega magnum. I been using 5.56 and 22 mag for years without issue.
Trooper Mark Coates, that was local to me and I remember when it happened. The POS had an NAA mini revolver in .22 magnum and popped of one shot while laying on the ground. The round hit the trooper in the armpit behind his vest, penetrated the chest and he bled out before back up arrived. The video used to be out there but it is difficult to watch and listen to him bleed to death. The SCHP’s response was to issue the S&W .40 cal semi-auto.
The POS was very fat and absorbed all those rounds center of mass. Crazy, but it happened.
I’d just add, that was an extreme event, but examples of goblins absorbing many pistol rnds in common duty loads and fighting are not rare. It’s why modern SOP is to shoot until the threat stops, and that often leads to the mag dumps we see so often now. That’s not a testament to lack of capability of 9mm, it’s testament that supports what we know, what the FBI doc goes into detail on, handgun rnds in all common duty loads are poor man stoppers, full stop. That some still in denial over that reality is a head scratcher to me.
Yeah, you got to draw the line somewhere in terms of terminal effect being “good enough” with handgun calibers. Or we all just carry 50AE or Linebaughs.
For me 9mm and shoot until the threat is neutralized is “good enough” for an EDC.