Does the US military train only aimed semi-auto fire for the M16/M4? Under what circumstances does training dictate burst/auto fire for the rifle/carbine?
If this question violates opsec in some way, I apologize in advance.
Thanks.
Auto is a ****ing waste of ammo.
Time and place. Like subguns.
And SAWs.
Auto AR/M4/M16 is gayer than a bag of peckers.
ETA: MP5? Now we’re talkin’.
This is a good question. I was a US Marine for my whole enlistment contract of 5 and a half years. We had that there M16A4 and we trained on auto all the time because Haji don’t play around in the mountains of the Ghan or Al Anbar. They overwhelmed the US Army all the time and we didn’t play those games so we always shot full auto. Known distance qualification, Tables 2-4. CQB. Even MOUT. Always full auto. There’s quite a bit I can’t talk about because of OPSEC, but the full auto thing should be okay because obviously the Taliban knows we all do it because they’re all dead from it. Marines have been full auto only for almost a hundred years. We’re actually called Devil Dogs because when fightin the French in the Spanish Civil War in the 1800s we shot so freakin’ fast the Spanish called us “Diablo Fuego Pero” - Dogs of fire and the devil. They dropped the fire part because it wasn’t PC - something you won’t learn in your classroom. The full auto fire tactics were actually championed by Opha May Johnson - a war hero of the highest order; people would stand when Opha entered a room for Opha’s service on Samar. The reason Marines were the first to begin using full auto exclusively was because we had leather neck protectors that allowed the brass not to get stuck in our collars and burn us - the other services never adopted this and to this day the Army, Navy, and Air Force are referred to as “Unleather Necks” because of their inability to absorb the scalding punishment of machine gun heated brass. It’s really not something I’m proud of, and if you weren’t there you’d never understand what it was like but there were plenty of times we had this crazy guy Backey Poller (Because his back was huge from doing pullups) who would tell us to fire full auto in every direction because that way we couldn’t miss. Unfortunately, we missed a lot that way because Marines were too busy sexting lady boys, but Backey Poller had eleven Navy Crosses from service as far back as the Indian Wars with Samuel Nicholson and Archibald Henderson. I don’t think they had full auto weapons at that time but they were certainly wishing they did. That’s why the quatrefoil was introduced on USMC Officer’s trousers. They wanted to make a mark to an ancient Indian goddess of firepower superiority whos name was “Lcwad tebfam atre abfacc” In honor of lcwad tebfam atre abfacc’s service to our Corps we developed the USMC Rifle Squad’s mission around her name - Locate counterfeit weapons and destroy the embankment by familiar antics. Marines are to readily embark at barracks for a civilian contractor" Interestingly enough, speaking of barracks, the full auto fire is so intense and the recoil so powerful that we got our yellow blood stripe on our blouses in honor of Clifton B Cates, who, in the Great War of Soviet Oppression stated:
I have only 2 men left out of my company and 20 out of other companies. We need support but it is almost suicidal to try to get here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant artillery barrage is upon us. I have no one on my left, and only a few on my right. I will hold.
Hope that helps. Semper Fidelicks.
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Dunno about the military but like SBR carbines were, at times, taught with a similar rigor of the MP5. Point towards COM or the whole “Aim at bellybutton and ride a bit” deal Ideally no more than a 4 or 5 round burst. But with the sheer muzzle velocity if 5.56 and 53 or 55gr ammo it seemed rather unnecessary compared to 9mm.
This is like CQB, like room distance or less.
But for a 20" or 16" barrel rifle, yeh, pretty lame. Plus it’s not good for the gas tube to just be retard dumping.
I dare say that guys in Vietnam doing retard dumps over and over did them no favors in the early days of draftee meets high tech gas operated rifle.
If you can work a trigger and keep a good sight alignment then you don’t really need a third setting.
I said “need”, if you want one, hey why not?
Get the **** outta here lol
Fixed that for you, Devil Dawg. You also left out the part about the braid on the top of the o’s barracks covers, but, other than that, an extremely accurate and factual post.
26, you forgot how he was the only Devil PAWG to be badass enough to carry a Beretta 93R and wear that Army gravel pit camo.
This was the exact qual we ran for BRM:
[video=youtube_share;ccf5MoDwiDE]http://youtu.be/ccf5MoDwiDE[/video]
Automatic fire is best left to a belt-fed that has both the weight and slower cyclic rate to be controllable enough to be a benefit. Controlled semi-automatic fire of an M4 is significantly more effective than slamming the gas on auto and letting Jesus take the wheel. It’s also not intuitive to toss a safety selector 180-degrees constantly while flowing up and down stairs, through doorways, hopping through a window, etc. Many units train differently from each other, but I don’t think keeping a weapon on safe until you’ve acquired a sight picture is too much of a departure from most norms.
The biggest benefit to a full auto FCG in an M4 is the consistent pull weight and reset on semi compared to having the burst cam installed. That’s nice.
The biggest irony is that originally on the prototypes AUTO came before SEMI.
Then again constantly going from auto to safe on an older MP5 is no picnic either.
Per SMGs, the Colt is more comfortable and feels more “right”, but if the apocalypse happened then yeah, I want an HK or a bigger caliber
Dude, speaking of which, if you’ve ever had the displeasure of shooting a civilian MAC-10, that trigger tells you exactly what it was originally intended for. Just, yuck.
Howdy,
We had a MAC-10 - of course full auto. See my previous post. We were going house to house, street to street in Hue before we exfilled to LVT’s - Tarawa. It was brutal, but you know how it goes. The Mac-10 was my sidearm to my KAC SR-25 at Tarawa. Great place for the MAC 10 but a bit too thick in the brush for effective use of the SR25. Ended up handing it over to some guy named Lee Harvey Oswald who said he was going back to Dallas once his enlistment was up.
Paul
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Your buddy, Lee sounds like a douche…probably legit Marine.
See why you gotta be bringing SR-25s in this man?
That is literally the only thing I own tgat still brings me joy!
SR-25s must be legit full auto. You know the guys at KAC must have done it 
You know, I totally forgot that douchebag was actually a legit Marine until I read your post!
Index for a moment: I am an avowed KAC junkie but I don’t know if KAC ever did a F/A SR-25. I know they did a 14.5 SR-25 carbine and the SR-25K, but that’s a good question. Have they ever done a Select Fire? If not then just to say they could?
Okay now as for Lee Harvey…dat man was cray. But not as Cray Cray as Charles Whitman who just…maaan…
If I was LHO, I woulda forgot all that commie hippie shit because that Russian bird he was married to was quite a looker in her day.
Shit, screw Texas…take yo Soviet bae and head to Cali and be a beatnik. No 1968 GCA, no sporting clause BS, and you could still buy whatever you want in Cali.
It’s like that 11.22.63 show…if I had a time portal, I’d be smuggling AR-10s, AR-15s, Garands, M1 Carbines, Colt Pythons, and 1911s like a Ferguson Looter. That’s after Biblically knowing all those crazy 60s birds.
See…people wanna abuse time travel with gambling, real estate, stocks, or doing dumb shit like saving politicians.
Me I just want brand new retro guns and beatnik girls.
To be fair it does what it was intended for well. I may be in minority but do not find them displeasure to shoot.