Magpul PMAG Military Feedback

My experience with the PMAG started when I purchased several in May, 2007. I was very impressed with the construction and strength of the magazine, compared to the USGI aluminum magazine. I was also looking for a cheaper solution to the HK magazine, that was as reliable and kept the weight closer to the USGI. I continued to be impressed when Magpul issued a recall for previous versions of the magazine, based on some feeding problems in certain lots of the magazine. To me, this indicated a quality company that would stand behind their product. I decided to approach them about conducting durability/functioning tests on their magazines.

I am currently stationed at the Joint Readiness Training Center, in Fort Polk Louisiana. I work in the Live Fire Division. We run 21-24 platoons of up to 40 personnel each through Attacks, Raids, and/or Convoy security each month. We fire a combination of ball,tracer, blank, SRTA (Short Range Training Ammunition) and UTM (Basically like Simunition man marker rounds) We normally expend about 25-30K rounds a month. Thats not a huge number compared to some of the training classes guys go through, but it would give good exposure to many different soldiers/marines and a good indicator of long term durability.

I spoke to Drake Clark at Magpul and asked if was interested in some more military exposure and what feedback he was interested in getting. He initially sent out 300 PMAGS in OD and FDE in windowed versions and non-windowed versions in August, 2007. We immediately began issuing these mags to the Marines who were here at that time. We also conducted several tests for durability at the same time. We currently have over 600 PMAGs in the field with manufacture dates of 08/07 and 10/07.

Tests:
M249 SAW test. As most who use them know, the SAW has a provision to take 30rd magazines in the event belted ammo is not available. This system is extremely unreliable and not preferred. It is to be used only in the event of an emergency. I was still interested to see if the PMAG would increase reliability. The SAW fired 11 magazines worth of ammo before having a case head separation and ending the test. While certainly not definitive, I have never witnessed that kind of functioning with magazines through a SAW.

Marine 7-Ton test. Having seen the youtube.com test with the truck running over the mag, I was interested in seeing how far we could go. We took a fully loaded magazine in OD with window, placed it under the front wheel of the 7ton and put the wheel on top of the magazine and then turned the wheel back and forth several times. This was on gravel and resulted in severe road rash, but the magazine then fired all 30 rounds without a problem. One note, the rounds will become deformed inside the magazine, but it did function just fine. We did note that subsequent tests with 20rds or less in the magazine resulted in the failure of the magazine. All in all, this is a pretty tough test for a plastic magazine. The marine 7 ton is rated at 7 tons off road capacity and 15 tons on road. I’m not sure how much weight is over those front wheels, but its got to be significant. Oh, and for those wondering, the USGI mag flattened, broke at the welds and shot its guts all over. The take away from this is that the plastic used in the mag is extremely resilient. It will damage the rounds inside, but the mag will be useable. If you accidently get your gear run over, I recommend changing out the rounds in you mag at the first chance.

Sand Test. The marines were anxious to make the mags fail, so in typical fashion, proceeded to throw them on the ground, pour handfuls of sand into them and one even used it as a shovel in the sand. I completely expected the magazine to fail at this point, but to my great surprise, it functioned flawlessly, multiple times. Not sure if the tolerance on the side have anything to do with this, but it was pretty remarkable.

General Observations
Good:
Resists damage better than aluminum magazines, and even HK magazines
magazines, specifically in urban operations
Better reliability over USGI magazines – 3FTF’s reported so far, with soldiers who had accidently loaded 31rounds and did not ensure the mag was seated.
Smoother feeding/loading than USGI magazines
Not as heavy as HK Magazines
Easier to seat magazine into rifle
Similar cost to USGI
Easier to disassemble for cleaning – This is a big one. Soldiers don’t do this and its is just as important as maintaining your rifle. The Magpul system is easy to diassemble and unlie the USGI mags, won’t get damaged in the process
Easier to grasp due to reinforcement ridges
Windowed magazines were preferred over solid ( I think, just because of the novelty more than anything else)

Bad:
Ability to load 31 rounds results in difficulty seating for soldiers who did not know it held 31 rounds, but was only meant to be loaded with 30. This extra room is what lets you get easy seating in the rifle.
This is really only an issue when loading loose rounds. For those using 10rd stripper clips, no big deal.
No witness marks on windowed PMAGS for 10/20/30 rounds. Hard to determine actually rounds. My personal opinion is that the windowed version isn’t really worth it. Those who shoot for a living will change mags after any contact and can tell by weight if they are almost out.
The dust cover/feed lip protector isn’t practical for military application. It is easily lost and only would be used when not on patrol, when you don’t really need to worry about dust. As Drake has mentioned, there hasn’t been any feed lip expansion in fully loaded magazines, loaded for over 10 months.
No Ranger Floor plated currently available. Original Magpul’s can be slipped over the body though with some effort.
For those that liked to put 550 cord pulls on the USGI magazines though the hole in the bottom, there is a way. I drilled a ¼” hole directly over the Magpul symbol in the floorplate, through the disassembly plate (sorry, don’t know what to call that) and used 550 cord run up through it to accomplish this in minimal time. Very strong and secure and did not affect functioning of the magazine. Takes a little more time to disassemble and reassemble, but that is an option to use for those that prefer this method of retention.

Overall, very positive feedback so far. As with all magazines, test in your rifle before you trust your life to them. I’ll update periodically, based on our observations.

Tom

Well written and good info, thanks for sharing it.

Good review. I’ve been using them for several months and am impressed.

Loading 31 rds is a training issue. Make sure the troops know that no matter what, the top round should be sitting on the right. That way they will have an even number in the mag, whether it’s 28 or 30. There’s no way to jamb 32 in there. Well, maybe a jarhead could do it, but dang. :smiley:

Errr;)

Great info Sir, thanks for taking the time.

I almost picked up a Pmag to try out… I was going to add it to an existing order…

But Brownells website shows them as sold out.:frowning:

The 3 Pmag’s I have work just fine ,but the look and feel of them just is so differant from the USGI mags I’m haveing a hard time warming up to them .

I ordered 5 more PMags yesterday from Brownells (already have 5), and while the lady said they were out, they were expecting them as soon as yesterday. I didn’t get a shipping email notice from them this morning, so not yet anyway.

How about this???..

I won’t buy any til I see them featured on the TV show “The Unit”!!:wink:

Then you would be a FOLLOWER… not a LEADER. :stuck_out_tongue:

Rmpl

Can anyone +1 this claim… This is the feedback I am specifically looking for in MY NEED. (I posted a question on LONG TERM feed lip integrity on the AR General area)

Rmpl

I can +1 that claim all day but it might not mean much. I can tell you without any doubt, I would feel confident taking loaded PMAG’s without the cover for over a year into a fight. No questions, period. That said, the time duration may be longer. I’ve only tested them up to a year. I’ve also ripped through approx. 7k round in one day same PMAG. Suppressed, semi and full auto. This was done via six different AR’s. There are military units out there now claiming seven figure round counts through several PMAG’s…seven figures!!! They said that the springs are shot but they still work.

Is there any cold test done ? Like freezing the mags to subzero and dropping them on concrete fully loaded?

I picked up a Pmag this past weekend at the fun show. I have been thinking of trying one out for quite awhile now but Brownells was out (they’re in now). The one I got was the windowed one, black in color. My first impression was that they felt sturdy and well made. They reminded me of a thrmold but much better then aluminum USGI mag. The date code is 10/07. After getting it home I had to play with it and got the Colt out of the safe. Inserting it into the mag well was smooth and effortless. It locked back the bolt and dropped free just like it should. Disassembly was much easer then a USGI. I like that! It loaded up with 30 rounds and inserted with the bolt closed easily. Stripping a loaded mag with my fingers also a piece of cake. So I like the mag very much.

Yesterday I had the chance to take it out to the range. The first 30 rounds went down range with out a hitch, as I expected they would. I pushed the mag release and let it drop on the ground. I then picked it and threw it down rang onto the muddy ground, and then went over and jumped up and down on it and ground into the ground. I then picked it up and tossed it back the firing line, hit it on the wooden table a few times to get the mud off reloaded and shot it. Basically my friend and I would throw, stomp and kick around the mag during our time at the range. I will say that I’m very impressed with it. I doubt that a USGI mag would have done as well. Now that there in stock at Brownells I’m going to order some. I don’t think I will get the ones with the windows; just don’t see a real need for them. When you consider the price I don’t see any reason to by USGI again.

I wish I could afford to put that much through mine! :smiley:

I have been so convinced by both my own emperical data and others, that I currently own 18 PMags and will continue to purchase them instead of USGI. I have over 30 USGI mags with Wolff springs and Magpul followers and I believe the PMag to be a better performer as well as a better value. Oh and I like the pretty colors! :stuck_out_tongue:

I finally had the opportunity to pick one of these up! I grabbed one in Dillon Precision’s store when I was there last weekend.

It’s very impressive. Much more robust than I had pictured it. I’ll get to shoot it this weekend.

Yes, I did that with them in Jan. I left them loaded outside, then flung them roughly 25 yards onto concrete, and had no problems. Next I placed them in the freezer for a few days, then did the same thing, and there were no problems. I can’t claim that I’ve done ultra cold work with them ( I haven’t), but beating on them in the low single digits and teens hasn’t shown any trouble to me.

Jumping up and down on them in cold weather doesn’t do anything either.

Whats all that white crap on your magazine Stick?

:cool:

Blow. How else could he afford all those toys?

Cool, this is good info. I have been wondering about durability. The mags feel good in the hand and look sturdy. I have set aside 4 FDE and 4 Black ones but have not yet shot them. I will be trying them next time I get out (which is unfortunately not that often)

I’ve sold quite a few as well.

Chad
ps: these are in stock