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I would have more respect for the idea if he had radiused the edges so that snags would come free, but you could still tighten it, now that would be kind of a nice touch.
Yet another example of the folly in thinking that assembling ARs is like assembling legos.
Indeed, anyone can do it. Pitifully few do it properly.
Meh, I had a Les Baer TRS once upon a time. When it went bang it went bang with great accuracy. I just didn’t want to shoot hundreds of rounds through it to get it “broken in”. I know I know hard fit and all that. It just wasn’t my thing. 500+ rounds and still FTRB’s so bad it wouldn’t fire. Not my bag. I bought a Benelli M4 with the proceeds. Sold that and built my A4 clone after Obama became the POTUS.
I called Baer a couple of times. The impression I got was “We made it. NOTHING COULD EVER be wrong with it.” I think they pulled that “He did it on purpose” thing out of their ass to cover a stupid mistake, or he really does think it “makes it better”.
I tend to think that he thinks it makes it better as every Les Baer AR with a castle-nut, has it installed backwards. It is virtually impossible that this is a “mistake”. I am curious what their reason is. E-mail sent…
The LB AR is a mess, but you sold one of the best 1911’s made.
If you read the first post in this thread I posted their response to me. Beyond that don’t look for Les Baer to personally respond or justify why they do it different.
Perhapse, but I did not want a finicky range pistol. I wanted something dead-nuts reliable from the get-go. I understand that 1911’s like a Les Baer may need over 1,000 rounds through them before they stop having issues like mine had, but I wasn’t comfortable with that. Les Baer’s pistols are like roulette. Some of them run from the word go, and some take forever to break in where you stop having FTRB’s/Nothing happen when you pull the trigger because it’s out of battery. Mine was one of the latter. I stopped counting at around round 600 and made my Dad a happy man. I basically gave it away to him for $1000–what I had left to pay on it. (MSRP @ $2500, hard-chrome TRS with VZ grips. It really is one of the most aesthetically pleasing weapons I have owned, as long as you didn’t take it apart and look at the internal finish, which looked to me like it was left totally in the rough and then chromed over. I think I actually remember cutting myself on one of the burrs left when they drilled the hole through the frame for the slide-stop while taking it apart or cleaning it once. Nasty stuff!). He loves “range toys”. He enjoys it much more than I ever could.
That experience left me appreciateing Les Baer’s work when it comes to hard-fitting, but it’s just not for me. If a pistol is going to be so tightly made it takes hundreds upon hundreds of rounds to break in, then the internal finish shouldn’t look like it was completed by some 11-year old in a sweatshop with a dull file and an aging drill-press. True it won’t affect function, but it was both the finest made weapon I have owned and the shoddiest, all at the same time. Total paradox. I am happier with my AR’s. They just run and run and run and run. No sharp burrs to cut myself on either 
Perhapse I expected too much for only having spent $2500. I have heard someone like me would be happier with a Wilson or Nighthawk, I just didn’t want to cough up the money.
All I saw was LB’s staff confirming that it was intentional because it was “better” and someone else loosely stated that LB says it keeps it from snagging.
I was not satisfied with either answer as an explanation of “why”? If it really is solely for anti-snagging purposes, then I suggest the Kalifornia pistol-grips to LB. They are much less likely to snag than a regular grip due to their “streamlined” nature. 
In the May '09 issue of American Rifleman there is a review of the Les Baer carbine. On page 63, the article states that the reason the castle nut is reversed is “an intentional change often requested by SWAT units, as it reduces the liklihood of cutting one’s fingers during rapid stock deployment and gun handling.”
WTF?
Any thoughts on this?
Maybe it’s just me, but I personally don’t go near my castle nut when I’m adjusting my stock.
Don’t “SWAT units” often wear gloves?
Has anybody here ever sliced themselves up on a castle nut? I haven’t.
On 1911s, if you order a $2500 pistol you have every right to have it run right. Hand fitting is no excuse for failures.
Yes, the LB AR is also issued to SWAT teams with a pair of plastic scissors and band-aids.
Also, I would like to learn the “rapid stock deployment” technique. Sounds high speed :rolleyes:
When I was green and didn’t know anything about building AR’s I discussed at length with Les about what I wanted and ended up with a super varmint 24" 1/8. This thing is a sledge hammer and is crazy accurate with 75-77gr. Even puts the Ranger 64gr leo stuff I get from time to time under moa.
Now understand, this has a 56mm zeiss and it’s sole purpose is to drive around on moonlit nights, lights off and shoot every pig on site per request of the ranch biologist.
The weight keeps you on target and my kill ratio is 2-3 more than the bolt guys. I now know I paid too much for something I could have built but man, I like this gun and appreciate the time Les spent with me on it.
I have never been that excited about the police model but also have not heard of any function problems either?? Anyway, wanted to at least say something positive. We need every good firearm mfg. we can get and I was proud of him for moving out of the anti gun state and hope he gets the police rig up to speed.
Has ANYONE who has responded to this thread actually had any shooting experience with one of these rifles? And sorry, but “I don’t need to to know they’re crap” doesn’t count. Just trying to be objective here.
Shooting it means what? It’s not that they’re crap per se. It’s that they are way overpriced if you are looking for a good tactical rifle.
How about this. Email Les Baer and ask if they MPI/HP test their bolts and barrels, ask if they use commercial or MIL lower receiver extensions and all the other typical questions. See what they say.
Anyone who says that they reversed the castle nut due to “extensive testing” and then doesn’t stake it properly doesn’t deserve my money.
There is a saying in German that applies here. “Ich kann mich selber verarschen.”
If paying $2000 for low-mid grade parts and a swanky name sounds like a good idea, the Les Baer Police Special may be for YOU!
Iraqgunz can you tell if the buffer tube is commercial or MIL with out taking the buttstock off ??
If that guy comes back to the range with that police special les baer m-4:rolleyes:
I want to be able to know so that I can post it also I will try to look at the barrel and see what is stamped on it . I doubt he will let me open it up but you never know.
Hell I will probable never see him up their again but never know.
The general rule of thumb is that the rear of the tube will have a slight cant to it and the edges are more squared than rounded. Another way is to try and slip a MILSPEC stock over it and if it won’t go then it is commercial. Removing the stock is as simple as pulling the locking lever on the bottom all the way down and slide it to the rear.
Re: barrel markings,
We all know that marking on a barrel don’t mean anything with some company’s. A lot of them only batch test barrels, but mark them all MP :rolleyes:
Not to mention the hundreds of barres marked 5.56 nato, and only being .223.