Well said Macx. I agree that guns should not be used to delibrdeliberately scare or intimidate people. Then again, if someone wanting what you have can be persuaded otherwise just by staring down the business end of a firearm, great! I don’t know if I’d use a .223 pistol for personal defense for two reasons 1) I’ve never fired one and I don’t know how controlable they are and 2) like my Five-seveN, I’d hate to have it mistaken for a dinky .22 and have to fire when they don’t take my warnings seriously. Of course, the huge flash and bang would be the last thing they see and hear as they die sadly mistaken.
Incidently it was a 9x18 that I presented to the fella in that incident. It really isn’t about stopping power until you pull the trigger . . . that said, I have drawn twice in urban settings in the CONUS . . . once with a 9x18 semi-auto and once with a 454 Casull revolver. In both cases the folks that chose to aggress illegally on law abiding citizens chose to stand down.
The .454 incident was a young hispanic lady I heard screaming in the wee hours at the bus stop across the street. The bangers were about to gang rape this chick on the bench and I went out across the street in my skivvies and revolver and asked them to let her wait for her bus in peace. . . I am no hero and I don’t wanna take any B.S. like as though I thought I were. I couldn’t let that go down while I was in earshot. Wasn’t like the .454 was in a holster . … I was in my skivvies, gangbangers chose to stand down.
I just don’t buy that criminals have any inkling/care about what caliber or capability is being pointed at them. It boils down to, “I have a gun pointed at me and I would rather not commit this crime than get shot.” Daz it plain and simple. We law abiding folk console ourselves with the capability and stopping power of our devices. . … criminals, in my experience, really sincerely don’t care what you draw on them. They care that there is a potential to get shot and steps like walking out your front door and going away, that they can do to avoid being shot.
Yeah, I suppose you’re right, but I’m still going to carry my G19 instead of my Five-seveN…mainly because if I have to use it, I know it will be taken into evidence and I can more easily replace a $500 Glock than a $1000 F-N! Plus, why add to the hype and hysteria around the 5.7 caliber and the guns that fire it? I can see the news story now “A man was shot and killed by gun-crazed vigilante carrying 40 rounds of armor piercing ammo!”
You’d be surprised just how large a .22 muzzle looks from the business end (been there, done that)!! :eek:
AGREE-
I did a study in my Criminology class about CCW/CCP. In about a little more than 70% of cases studied of ccw holders in a potential life threatening situation once the fire arm was presented the situation was diffused or less injury occurred if the fire arm was not presented.
Where they got their numbers I don’t know and I do not have the data on hand. I can look back in my notes and check if anyone is interested.