The purpose of this thread is to get an idea if people would be interested in buying a KAC PDW. This would be a FACTORY SBR and would have to be transfered via a C3 dealer.
Price would be somewhere near $3k we think.
C4
SPECS on the gun can be found here: http://www.knightarmco.com/images/pdw1.html
Absolutely!
Looks like a great weapon and am sure it will be a great seller but at 3K I cant touch it.
How many guns would need to be sold to push hornaday over the edge to put the round into a regular manaf. schedule?
And if the answer is known and can be met, what would the price be for the 6x35mm per round?
With current 5.56 prices, would it even be “economically feasible” to train w/such a weapon?
If not, who would buy it? Collectors?
Then the question is how many KAC collectors would buy it? Then we are back to square 1/question 1
Its easy to say we want something…but with that comes a ton of other variables.
No one really knows that, but am guessing it would need to be at least in the 1K range.
The hope is to also get some ammo companies to make a cheaper (training) round for it as well.
C4
Ditto. And while I think you’d have a ton of interest and tire-kickers, actual sales would be limited by price, and then ammo availability/cost.
If I were a rich man…
It’s a cool looking blaster, but a bit out of my price range.
For those who haven’t handled one, the PDW is a fantastic weapon. I really love it.
I, too, would be curious about the availability of the Hornady ammo as well as magazines.
I was able to fondle this back in summer of 2006 when I was going through the KAC SR-25 Course. It seemed really nice, but we weren’t able to shoot it. If the price came down and ammo was more available it would be a seller. I just can’t see it competing with the other stuff coming out in the near future. But, I would be tempted to get one for GP.
1 - 2 years ago I would have bought one for $3,000
However, due to money problems now, there is no way I could pay more than $1,500 for any gun.
My simple question:
What does this package of KAC PDW and the 6x35mm round do better than a semi mk18 and the mk262 mod 1 (or 75 gr. TAP) round? What does it do better than a semi AKS-74U and the 5.45x39mm round?
If the PDW offers real and substanative improvements in lethality and reliability then I would consider one. If not, then I wouldn’t.
Is there open source information available on the terminal effects of the new round? What about the operating system? The ad claims that “recoil is 50% less than a standard M4 carbine.” I have never considered the recoil of a standard M4 carbine to be a cause for concern.
Of course my personal criteria all pertain to my “mission” as a civilan. Mission drives the gear train, so armored vehicle crews and PSD’s / PMC’s likely will have different criteria.
I hate to say this but yes only if it were chambered for the 5.56mm round.
IF the prices of 6mm came down significantly and its availability increased again, yes i would consider it but not unless these two criteria are met.
At $3k it’s not worth it to me…
I believe that the ballistics are superior (maybe Doc R. can chime in).
There will be more than one source of ammo and quality mags would be available from a source in Boulder. 
C4
From what I know, nah. I’ll pass. Nothing against the weapon but trying to simplfy my life lately and another “fussy lady” is not something I’m interested in at this point.
Obviously DocGKR is better than I to discuss the 6x35 round terminally.
Its a 65gr BTHP round at 2400fps - compared to a 77gr at around 2100fps with the Mk262 (IIRC)
It penetrates LIIIA armor out to 275m (at least…)
Two other ammo companies have expressed interest in producing ammunition, and Magpul has offered to make mags if we desire (or if you, the customer, desire)
Obviously the civlian user will not get the same gains as other user of this system, for the low profile, covert ability of the PDW is the prime point of the fact the stock folds, and it slimline and yet retain the M16FOW muscle memory.
The gun even with the 8" barrel is nothing like shooting a Mk18, it is much more controllable and follow up shots are easily made in a quicker time frame.
A great deal of people have expressed huge interest in this, however in order for this to be a civilian sale item, we would have to be sure that it is a viable product, one that we would see a good return on investment, as machine time used for this, could be used for others systems, and when running at full production, the opportunity cost of producing other items cannot be discounted.
didn’t even notice it had the fancy shmancy compensator on the end. Cool.
That was very informative Kev, and answered most of my questions.
Personally, no I would not buy one (as a civilian) as I have no need for one. A lot of new firearms fall into that category for me.
Along the same lines as others, I think it’s a very interesting weapon but except as a collectible/CDI gun I wouldn’t be able to justify $3k for it unless it demonstrated some feature(s) that made it worth twice the price of an M4.
The 6x35 mm is the best SMG/PDW cartridge yet introduced. Unlike 5.56 mm, 6x35mm is optimized for 8-10" barrels and suppresses nicely. 6x35 mm fills the CQB niche very well and is far superior to the 4.6mm and 5.7mm. 6x35mm can fill the same sling carried PDW role as the old M1/M2 carbine, but in a more compact and ergonomic package. In the SMG role, 6x35mm can replace the MP5 for CQB/HR, offering better terminal ballistics and longer effective range, in a similar sized and controllable package. With 10" and under barrels, 6x35mm and 6.8 mm are the best bets from a terminal ballistic perspective.
The big question for KAC is whether the PDW weapon platform functioning issues were resolved and whether they are going to allow Hornady to publicly release the cartridge…