IN & OUT shooting - Idaho

Thanks for the update.

Here is another.

Buddy of mine was less then I mile away at the time. He saw squad cars going by at high speed. He’s a typical gun owner from low crime rural areas, guns stay in a safe and never carries assuming such crimes will not happen where he is. He’s singing a different tune now as expected. % of actual gun owners who do not carry is shockingly low.

Civilian shooter supposedly had 5.7 suppressed pistol in a shoulder holster. That’s a very odd choice for SD, but no judgements from me, he went toward danger and he delivered, so good on him. I have read reports that he did get some hits on the chit bag, who then killed himself. Regardless, he put pressure on the shooter and that no doubt saved lives, so again, good on him. Unclear where/when the off duty trooper got involved, but it’s more undeniable proof, armed response as fast as possible regardless of who does it, is how such an event comes to an end as fast as possible. Here’s good interview:

Jordan Salinas, 35, a healthcare worker and the full-time caregiver of his brother, who uses a wheelchair, had been horseback riding with his girlfriend the morning of the shooting when the couple pulled into the Twin Falls In-N-Out location for lunch and immediately noticed something amiss.

A large crowd of people was rushing through the exit doors of the restaurant, which he assumed was due to a kitchen fire until he heard the unmistakable pop of gunfire.

Operating on pure instinct, Salinas sprinted toward the sound of the gunfire – a response he’d later refer to as “automatic” and “mechanical,” he told the Idaho Statesman.

He drew his FN Five-Seven – a semiautomatic pistol equipped with a suppressor – and engaged Williams using the military’s four-step “Observe, Orient, Decide Act” approach.

Salinas exited the car with his gun drawn as his girlfriend called out to him, at which point the gunfire started up again.

Video shows him slowly making his way toward the restaurant, taking cover behind In-N-Out signs and shrubs.

“OK, this is the guy,” he later told the outlet was his thought process upon seeing the gunman.

He raised his pistol with both hands and squeezed off a round – the first time he ever aimed his weapon at a living target, he said.

“He did not like it when bullets started firing both ways,” Salinas told the outlet.

Three people were killed and seven others were wounded in the In-N-Out shooting, but police said the death toll would have undoubtedly been higher without the quick-thinking actions of Salinas and the off-duty cop

“These people are true heroes in our community,” Johnson said of the two men who returned fire. “They diverted the shooter and without a doubt saved many lives.”

Salinas later stood down to let police officers do their job as they streamed into the parking lot.

Williams was now taking return fire from him, and an off-duty cop who was a customer at the restaurant, Twin Falls County Sheriff Jack Johnson said.

He vacated the drive-thru and made his way toward an open parking lot at the Twin Falls visitor center. Police said he later died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

From his hidden vantage point, he spotted Williams standing by the drive-thru and saw him raise a rifle to his shoulder and start firing toward vehicles.

“My part is done,” he recalled thinking at the time.

Credit: NY Post

Article about the off duty officer on scene:

Excerpt from the article:

“Amidst the gunfire, two bystanders took immediate, life-saving action. Austin ‘AJ’ Scott James, an off-duty law enforcement officer, recognized the threat but made a calculated decision not to draw his concealed weapon. Authorities confirmed that James consciously kept his firearm holstered to avoid being misidentified as an active shooter by arriving police units—a tragic reality in chaotic tactical environments. Instead, James physically intervened to shield others, sustaining critical injuries in the process.”

I have a hard time processing this. Heroic? Yes. Best course of action? No. If he was that close to the shooter then eliminating the threat before police units arrived would have been more prudent. IDK, hard for me to wrap my head around that one.

If when the shooting starts and we all start to run, if you trip and fall and I trip over you, fall and land on top of you, was I “Sheilding” you from Fire?

Just asking for a Friend.

I agree. There’s certainly a risk holding a gun as a good guy when Patrol arrives, but damn. I’m not passing up the opportunity to end it now.

I was sent the link to that article but I am not familiar with that news source. I haven’t read about the human shield anywhere else, yet. Like I said, I really can’t wrap my head around an LEO not shooting back in that situation.

Someone explain this gag to me.

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Everything I read says LEO engaged shooter. Guess we will have to see what actually happened.

Everytime someone fouls her or someone on her Team, She points that finger at them and it goes from WNBA to UFC. Those girls will F you up bad.

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Another version…

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Ah! Thanks!

Image is dumb and not funny. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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That one is borderline amusing.

I think if you followed a couple of Games or saw some highlights you might find the humor.

I thought it was funny because I’ve never seen a flying Bodyblock in Basketball and from such a hottiee too.

Well, i haven’t seen that video because i don’t watch any sports, generally.

From Idaho Statesman:

Salinas reached for his shoulder holster and drew an FN Five-Seven — a semi-automatic pistol with a suppressor fixed to the barrel. He worked through the framework he’d practiced for years. Salinas is a healthcare worker, the full-time caregiver of his wheelchair-bound brother. He began training seriously after a 2021 shooting at the Boise Towne Square mall killed two people and injured several more. Gunmen, he said, went after “soft targets.” A person in a wheelchair — and the aide at his side — would be as soft as they come, he reasoned. He started taking his training seriously that day, he told the Idaho Statesman on Sunday. He shoots on weekends and trains in the desert outside of Eden, a small town in eastern Jerome County. He’d never pointed his gun at so much as an animal, he said, and never thought he’d need to use anything he practiced. Yet he drilled a four-step approach borrowed from the military, every week, always the same:

Observe. Salinas ran from the car, gun drawn. Video posted to social media shows a man slinking behind In-N-Out signs and shrubs, seeking out the source of the gunfire.
Orient. Hidden from view, he established sight lines. He reminded himself to stay disciplined on the trigger. Soon, he saw a man, who police later identified as 24-year-old Chad Williams, standing by the drive-through window. He watched as Williams lifted a rifle to his shoulder and fired toward cars.
Decide. “OK,” Salinas thought. “This is the guy.”
Act. He leveled his pistol with both hands, and fired. “He did not like it when bullets started firing both ways,” Salinas said Sunday morning.

Salinas says he felt “no fear” — before, during or after firing. He had four steps to remember, and he followed them one at a time. “There’s a task that needs to be done, and we’re the ones who need to do it,” he said. Williams, Salinas said, seemed shocked. He was taking fire from two people: Salinas and an off-duty policeman, a customer at In-N-Out, who returned fire, too, according to Twin Falls County Sheriff Jack Johnson. The return fire drove the shooter from the drive-through, toward an open parking lot at the city’s visitor center. Williams later died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, Twin Falls Police Chief Matthew Hicks said Sunday. “These people are true heroes in our community,” Johnson said of the two men who returned fire. “They diverted the shooter and without a doubt saved many lives.” Salinas’ part in the shootout took two or three minutes, Salinas said. As Williams retreated, sirens shrieked down Blue Lakes. When police spilled into the plaza, Salinas stood down and let them go to work. “My part,” he thought, “is done.”

And at his regular coffee shop Sunday, Salinas’ drinks were on the house. Friends and strangers shook his hand. A customer overheard, and opened his computer to a meme, one of many social media posts with Salinas’ name and likeness that had circulated overnight. It showed Salinas’ bearded silhouette black against the yellow of a Gadsden Flag, pistol pointed across the screen. Someone had replaced his ball cap with a Stetson. Underneath, they’d printed: “Idaho shoots back.” “My buddies are over at Sportsman’s buying ammo because of you,” one said. They joked that the price of a Five-Seven was bound to rise, as often as the video of Salinas firing circled on social media. Then, Salinas’ face stiffened. "Everyone says, ‘It’s not going to happen here,’ " he said. “But what if it does?”

https://amp.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article316743551.html

Did you just post fake AI crap?

A little more information coming out on the off duty officer.